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From: "Theresa Entin" <>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-L] Pereira & Sousa -- I need help
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:53:17 -0400


Dear Joe, Sorry no one helped. I’ll see if I can give you a little
information.

O.K., so no one recognized my grandparents when this was first posted. I
have a few questions -- Please help me.

1) Am I correct in the assumption that the family name of Jose Pereira
Goularte is Pereira and that Goularte was his mother's maiden name?

****This is not a good idea to assume this. His name could be either of his
parents or grandparents names. Children in the same family could carry
different last names.

2) I've checked so many passenger lists that I am going blind. Supposedly
they arrived soon before they got married ("legend" has it that they met on
the boat, but most don't believe that), which means that they should have
arrived in RI or MA (maybe NY??) anywhere from 1900 to 1904). Can anyone
help me?

*****This is like checking for a needle in a haystack. Best to do if you
know the exact day, month and year, at least the month and year.

3) Birth records from the Azores. This is the scariest of all; especially
with the multitude of names my grandmother had.

*******This can be checked if you know the town or parish that they were
baptised in. If not, then again the needle in the haystack.

4) In a few days, I will have their Church marriage certificate scanned. I
need it translated. Is it o.k. to post it here? Even though I'm half
Portuguese, my Dad only taught me to say "Give me a kiss" and "I love you"
in Portuguese (I wouldn't presume how to spell it).

*********They were married in the US, right? Did the church do the record
in Portuguese? The city hall should have the english version. If it is in
Portuguese I can give you the gist of what it says. You can send me the
words if it isn’t scanned. I’ll do my best. I don’t think you can post it
here.

5) Am I missing something? Should I be asking other questions? Where else
should I look? What are the absolute best web sites?


Here's the info...
JOSEPH "JOSE PEREIRA GOLARTE" PERRY was born July 28, 1883 on Fayel, Azores,
Portugal.

*********I’m not familiar with the number of churches in Fayal, perhaps
other list readers have done reseach here and can help. If you are really
lucky then there will be only one church and LDS will have it on film for
you. If not…..

He died July 24,1947 in Cambridge, MA, and is buried in Cambridge Cemetery.
His parents are Antonio and Ricarda or Francisca.

********Good information here. Did you get his obit from the newspaper? It
might say the town he was born in. The city clerk in Cambridge will give
you a copy of his death record. The library might have the obit in the
newspaper.

"Joe Perry" married "Mary Perry" on April 10, 1904, at the Igreja de Nossa
Senbora Church, Providence, RI. Witnesses at the ceremony were Manuel
Ignacio Vargas & Maria Vargas.

*********This is pretty good information, but if that is all it says, then
the city clerk should have their marriage license on record. What are the
parent’s names????

THERESA "MARIA THEREZA" SOUSA (DE SOUSA OR SOUZA) was born supposedly on
July 28, 1890 on Sao Miguel (St. Michaels), Azores, Portugal (but there are
other birth dates and variant name spellings on various official documents:

Death Certificate -- DOB: 28 Jul 1889;
State Marriage License -- DOB: 1885;
Tombstone -- DOB: 1888;
Husband Death Certificate -- DOB: 1887 ---

*********If she married in April of 1904, and was born in July of 1889, then
she was very young, not quite 15 years old. Did she lie to marry without
permission?
On the marriage license she was almost 19 years old. (Still not good if
you don’t have the name of the village to look in for her birth.) They also
told lies about their ages later in life so that they could collect social
security. That is another possibility to check (Social Security Adm) for the
name of her village.


Marriage License: Maria Thereza Sousa;
George Perry (son) Baptismal: Theresa de Sousa;
Death Certificate: Theresa Mary Perry;
Husband Death Certificate: Theresa Sousa).
She died on November 29, 1960 at Mount Auburn Hospital, Cambridge, MA, and
is buried in Cambridge Cemetery. Her parents are Marianno & Maria.

*******No last names for her parents? What about the newspaper obit? I
personally think I would go with the marriage license name, she was the
informer on that one.

I just thought of something else, there is always another way to find out
the information about people. Did either one have brothers and sisters?
Sometimes, their siblings information is more easily found. Perhaps, they
were more forth coming with information. They would have the same parents
and probably be born in the same town. Maybe their children are still alive
and have just what you are looking for.


They had 13 children: MARY, JOSEPH, AMELIA, ANTHONY, MANUEL, ALBERT, ANNE,
ROSE, DOROTHY, THERESA, GEORGE (my father), JOHN and LOUISE. Only my Aunt
Rose and Aunt Louise are left, and they know nothing about when their
parents are from. Virtually all of my info has come from documents.

*********Aunt Rose and Aunt Louise would know if they had cousins, and who
they were…. The obit in the newspaper sometimes would have their siblings
names.

********Hope this helps, I know how frustrating it can be. Ate Logo,
Theresa

Sincerest thanks,

Joe Perry









-----Original Message-----
From: JD Perry <>
To: <>
Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 11:46 AM
Subject: [AZORES-L] Pereira & Sousa -- I need help


>O.K., so no one recognized my grandparents when this was first posted. I
have a few questions -- Please help me.
>
>1) Am I correct in the assumption that the family name of Jose Pereira
Goularte is Pereira and that Goularte was his mother's maiden name?
>
>2) I've checked so many passenger lists that I am going blind. Supposedly
they arrived soon before they got married ("legend" has it that they met on
the boat, but most don't believe that), which means that they should have
arrived in RI or MA (maybe NY??) anywhere from 1900 to 1904). Can anyone
help me?
>
>3) Birth records from the Azores. This is the scariest of all; especially
with the multitude of names my grandmother had.
>
>4) In a few days, I will have their Church marriage certificate scanned. I
need it translated. Is it o.k. to post it here? Even though I'm half
Portuguese, my Dad only taught me to say "Give me a kiss" and "I love you"
in Portuguese (I wouldn't presume how to spell it).
>
>5) Am I missing something? Should I be asking other questions? Where else
should I look? What are the absolute best web sites?
>
>
>Here's the info...
>JOSEPH "JOSE PEREIRA GOLARTE" PERRY was born July 28, 1883 on Fayel,
Azores, Portugal. He died July 24,1947 in Cambridge, MA, and is buried in
Cambridge Cemetery. His parents are Antonio and Ricarda or Francisca.
>
>"Joe Perry" married "Mary Perry" on April 10, 1904, at the Igreja de Nossa
Senbora Church, Providence, RI. Witnesses at the ceremony were Manuel
Ignacio Vargas & Maria Vargas.
>
>THERESA "MARIA THEREZA" SOUSA (DE SOUSA OR SOUZA) was born supposedly on
July 28, 1890 on Sao Miguel (St. Michaels), Azores, Portugal (but there are
other birth dates and variant name spellings on various official documents:
Death Certificate -- DOB: 28 Jul 1889; State Marriage License -- DOB: 1885;
Tombstone -- DOB: 1888; Husband Death Certificate -- DOB: 1887 --- Marriage
License: Maria Thereza Sousa; George Perry (son) Baptismal: Theresa de
Sousa; Death Certificate: Theresa Mary Perry; Husband Death Certificate:
Theresa Sousa). She died on November 29, 1960 at Mount Auburn Hospital,
Cambridge, MA, and is buried in Cambridge Cemetery. Her parents are Marianno
& Maria.
>
>They had 13 children: MARY, JOSEPH, AMELIA, ANTHONY, MANUEL, ALBERT, ANNE,
ROSE, DOROTHY, THERESA, GEORGE (my father), JOHN and LOUISE. Only my Aunt
Rose and Aunt Louise are left, and they know nothing about when their
parents are from. Virtually all of my info has come from documents.
>
>Sincerest thanks,
>
>Joe Perry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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