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From: "Janet" <>
Subject: [COULTER] Facts and question about Robert Coulter of SC
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:22:41 -0000
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Robert COULTER was born in 1723 in Gabinheough, Tyrone, Ireland. He died in 1783 in Chester County South Carolina. He married Mary STUART before 1753 in , , Ireland.

This what I found on the net. I many question about this fact and family

Robert Coulter of SC. Does anyone know when he died? This date above in question because
remember he had son name Robert and they could get mix up with land records. Making it hard the early land records to read. But below is what I think about the land records.

His wife was said to be Mary with maiden of Stuart. Does anyone know where this came from?
I also found on the net her father was said "Levi" Stuart. This first name is Jewish. The last name is Stuart this just does not make since.

I know his son Robert b abt 1760 was said to have the middle name Stuart. Where did this come from?

I know that on the net and family that they say Robert was born in Ireland. The ship that he might came on to SC in 1772 might have came from Ireland but what proof does any one have that he was Irish? Now the Coulter name is Scottish as well as the name of Robert.

>From Scotch-Irish Migration to S.C. in 1772 by Jean Stephenson

Page 43 3. Robert Jamieson 250 A. (b) Pl. Bk. Vol.19 P489; 6 Jan. 1773; in Craven Co. on waters of Rocky Creek; bd'd Robert Coulter, John Casky, Thomas Huston, David Grimbs, Mary Coulter, vacant land; cer. 6 June 1774 Ord Co. 3 April 1775 for Thomas Singleton. (c) Chester

This ship comes from Ireland and is on the Rev. William Martin ships but just because the ship came from Ireland does not make all person on the ship Irish. There Scottish families on these ship where else did the statement Scotch-Irish come.

Robert might have married Mary ? in Ireland but I do not think he was born there. Does any one have proof that Mary was born in Ireland?
I have look into Irish records and Coulter famliy seems to have been in Ireland after 1790s but not before. Not that Robert was not there but just not born there.

As for Mary I am not sure is she was or if she was even a Stuart.
This Stuart line is from Mary of Scots son James who was raise Protestant.
The story of the Coulter family helping the Stuart in over throw of King of England. It is wonderful story but I have question.

1 to be Bonnie Prince Charles Stuart that date is 1760s. So Robert to mix with, if Robert was born in 1720s, he would have been 40s. I have look for Robert born 1720s, I can not find one.

2 If the Coulter was help Charles Stuart father James Stuart the date for this is 1740s and Robert born in 1720s would be 20s.

But still Can anyone find a Robert born in 1720 not just what someone wrote on the net with no proof.


Does any one know how MANY Children did Robert and Mary have?? I was told that they were the following children:

1 Mary Ann COULTER was born in 1752. She died in 1824.1824 in ,Todd, Kentucky Marriage John STEVENSON b: 1750 in Ireland

2 Archibald COULTER was born in 1753. He died in 1824. in Todd County Kentucky Married: 1771 in South Carolina Mary b: 1753 in Kentucky

2 Margaret COULTER was born in 1755. She died in 1792/1796.Married: ABT. 1775 in ,Chester Co., South Carolina, Andrew GRAHAM b: ABT. 1753 in County Antrim Ireland

3 Elizabeth COULTER was born in 1758. Question where did this name come from?

4 Robert Stuart COULTER was born in 1760. He died on 4 Sep 1821.Madison County, Illinois Married: BEF. 1753 in ,,South Carolina, Margaret FLEMING b: 1764 in Bull's Run, Virginia
Now how can a child born 1760 marry before 1753????
Look below by land records you see when they were married

I know when people came to America then they were give "Headrights". This land or Headrights that was given to person who came to America by SC leaders.

I read that in SC and NC each person in the family (encluding the children) was give Headrights.

Gerald Coulter has on his webpage.

http://members.tripod.com/~GeraldCoulter/Records.html

He has the following land records and I think they are Headrights

ROBERT COULTER, Plat for 200 acres, all sides vacant, on Rocky Creek, Craven Co., surveyed 24 Nov. 1771 by Alex. Turner

ARCHIBALD COULTER PLAT for 100a. on Rocky Creek in Craven Co., by lands of John Lee & Samuel Fulton, surveyed 11 Dec.1771 by Alexander Turner.

MARGARET COULTER Plat for 100 acres of vacant land on Rocky Creek, Craven Co., surveyed 15 Jan 1772 by Alex Turner

MARY COULTER Plat for 100 acres on Rocky Creek, Craven Co., surveyed by Alex Turner 15 Jan 1772

JOSEPH COULTER Plat for 100 acres on Rocky Creek, Craven Co., surveyed 15 Jan 1772 by Alex Turner

ALEXANDER COULTER Land Grant for 100 acres on Rocky Creek, Craven Co., bounded by John Lee & Samuel Fulton, dated 15 Jan 1772

NOW I AM WONDERING IF THIS A MISSING SON???


MARY COULTER Plat for 100 acres on Rocky Creek, Craven Co., bordered by land of Jos. Corley, surveyed by A. Turner, 14 June 1773

This a daughter who got her headright later the others. The Headrights start in 24 Nov. 1771 - 14 June 1773

ARCHIBALD COULTER with dower by wife, Mary Coulter and dated 12 Dec. 1805 and for $750.00 a deed to Hugh Parks for 300a. of land in Craven County, now Chester County and on the south fork of Rocky Creek and bounded by lands of John Lee and Archibald Coulter the said land was an original grant to Jonathan Dunkan or rather Duncan and made to him the 13th day of November 1772 rather March of 1772 and who sold the same to me./Wit. James Lowery & William Chestnut before James Strong

"with dower by wife, Mary Coulter" Dower is "The provision which the law makes for a widow out of the lands of her husband" per "BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY". This must be Mary Coulter is Archibald's mother and widow of Robert Coulter.
Not that Robert died them but his land was sold in 1805 by his son and widow, Mary Coulter.


Archibald Coulter (no dower signed) a deed dated 29 Oct. 1806 and for 300 silver dollars to JOHN COULTER a tract of land to 150a. in Chester District on Sandy River and said land granted 21 June 1785 to Thomas Franklin who in the same year made the grant over to Jacob Dungan who in October 1785 sold same to Robert Coulter who on the 27th day of Nov. 1797 sold same to Archibald Coulter / Wit. James McKeown, & Andrew Crawford before J. Roseborough J.P.

Mary is died byt 1806.



LAND DEED dated 3 July 1790 for land in Camden Dist. on Rocky Creek, bd'd Margaret Coulter, Mary Coulter, Joseph Carlye and vacant land, deed from Andrew Graham to Hugh McMillan, Wit: Archibald Coulter. Land was sold by James McMillan to Hugh White, 1829, discribed as orginal grant to Margaret Coulter, sold by her and husband, Andrew Graham to Hugh McMillan, Deed Books E, page 263 and Book X, page 440

This land deed is for Margaret, daughter of Robert and Mary Coulter.
Mary is she the daughter or the mother. Andrew Graham is husband of Margaret Coulter as said in the land deed.

LAND DEED dated 12 Dec 1805, Craven Co, on So. Fork of Rocky Creek, Archibald Coulter and wife Mary, 300 a. to Hugh Parker bounded by John Lee, Wit: by James Lowrey & Wm. Chesnut

Archibald son of Robert Coulter and Mary. Now make thing worse Archibald wife is now Mary Coulter but the date is 1805.


DEED BOOK "O" page 126, Robert Coulter to Archibald Coulter, 150 a. on Sandy River, dated 27 Nov. 1797. Page 128, Archibald Coulter to John Coulter, 150 a. on Sandy River, Chester Co., dated 29 Oct 1806. (same land as above)

by the date 1806 John Coulter must be Archibald children for Roberts son John was b in KY. This Robert is son of Robert and Mary Coulter


ROBERT COULTER and no dower, a deed dated 24 July 1780 to Edward McDaniel for all that tract of 200a. of land lying on Rocky Creek where the said Edward McDaniel now resides. / Wit. Samuel McGaw & William McGaw

This not old Robert not his son for he was living in the 1790 Census but Robert Jr

ROBERT COULTER with dower by his wife, Margaret Coulter, a deed dated 27 Dec. 1804 to James Miller for a tract of land containing 100a. on Rocky Creek.....said lands bounded by lands of John C?en, W.T. Dick, Wm. Rottenberry and vacant at the original survey / Wit. Samuel Miller and Robert Stevenson

ROBERT COULTER with dower by wife, Margaret Coulter a deed dated 27 Dec. 1804 to James Miller for 100a. on Rocky Creek.....no boundries given / Wit. Robert Stevenson & Samuel Miller before Hugh Knox J.P. ...dower taken by Charles Boyd J.P

By 1804 Robert is married to Margaret. The Stevenson family member had married Mary, Margart sister.


Could this be Archibald's son

JOHN COULTER with dower by wife, Sarah Coulter dated 14 Oct. 1809 of Chester Co. to Francis Egnew of Fairfield County, a deed for 150a. of land orignally granted 31 Jan. 1785 to Thomas Franklin who in the same year made it over to Jacob Dungan who on a certain day in October in 1788 deeded same to Robert Coulter who on the 28th day of Nov. 1797 deeded same to me A?D this sale subject to morgage given me by notes for the payment by Francis Egnew / Wit. William Egnew & Andrew Crawford before James Strong J.P.

57. 0-283 Mortgage to JOHN COULTER dated 19 Dec. 1808 Francis Egnew of Fairfield for a tract of land .......history same as above. / wit. William Egnew & Andrew Crawford before James Anderson J.P. ..... 19 Jan. 1812 a receipt for the full payment of these notes and mortgage are attached to the deed....receipt sg. by John Coulter.

These 1790 Census Records consist of 1,153 "Head of Houshold"
(H/H) for the Chester District, South Carolina. Chester Co. was
created in 1785 from the larger Craven & Camden Districts.
No other County was created from Chester Co.

This must brothers for their age that is list near are near the age birth above
C436 CHESTER CO, SC COULTER Archibald M-637 011 015 - 01 02 01 00 00
C436 CHESTER CO, SC COULTER Robert M-637 011 015 - 01 01 03 00 00


OLD 96 AND ABBEVILLE DISTRICTS, SOUTH CAROLINA - MARRIAGES - 1774-1890
A423 ALLSTON, JANE C140 CABEL, HENRY COULTER
A536 ANDERSON, ADOLPHUS C436 COULTER, ADELIA

SOUTH CAROLINA - OLD DISTRICTS AND COUNTIES - CENSUS - TRYON 1770


The Old TRYON County, of North Carolina Created in 1768 and was dissolved in 1779.

The boundaries consisted of (present-day) part of Burk, Cleveland, Gaston, Lincoln, part of McDowell Polk, Rutherford, all of North Carolina. Also consisted of (present-day) Cherokee, Spartanburg, and small parts of Chester, Greenville, Laurens, and York Counties all of South Carolina.

The following is a list of some 58 "Residents" of Tryon Co., NC. 1770

C436 COULTER Alexander 1770 TRYON Co. NC No Twp. Listed

Question is this Alexander found in land records/headrights in SC be the same on list here in 1770?
Alexander could have gotten land in SC that is on the county/State line and there for is found in both SC and NC. He list with Robert Coulter and Mary Coulter's children in their Headrights.

Here is the question is Alexander Coulter of Tryon NC the son Robert Coulter and Mary Coulter of SC?

Because he is not found any more in SC but NC people thought that he was not related but now.


Janet


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