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From: David Lewin <>
Subject: Re: [CZ] Vogel
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 16:51:11 +0000
In-Reply-To: <014a01c073ea$90906ea0$92a3fea9@con-crap>


What a wonderful message to get on the first day of the year - and the
century and the millennium!

You give me no hint where in the world you live, otherwise I would have
tried to telephone you.

Your message really is very important to me. I have a deadline of 25 May
2001. After that it will all be too late.

I had some difficulty to fully understand what you were trying to tell
me. Maybe we have another common language? What language is easiest for
you? And what language comes after that?

Please let me ask you for some specific questions:

1. I understand that Anna is not a blood line relation of yours.
Can you please tell me how she is related?

2. You speak of the application for marriage. Do you have a copy?
could I possibly see this?

3. Can I please have the address for the Vogels in Iowa?
I would like to talk to them and learn what they know.

Have a healthy 2001

David LEWIN


At 12:01 01/01/01, you wrote:
> I am sorry it takes me so long to answer postings. I share with son
> and he moves everything into a folder and it is difficult to return a day
> or two later and find where I left off.
>Thank you for several things. One for an insight to another way of
>spelling. I have come accross it; as I have been searching for my
>anna. I did not think it could be a possible spelling for her foughel
>or vogel.
>She first spelled it Foughel on her application for marriage. I think I
>have committed the biggest sin of geneology. ASSUMING I assumed it was
>her spelling from before. I sometimes take notes as I check. If I didn't
>I could check a whole lot faster. :)] for instance I noticed one ship
>full of muscians and recorded that.. I need to find notebook to see where
>I saw the vogl and what year.
>I got off the subject...and to thank you for the information.
> My anna came in 1887 with her nephew and why they lost contact with the
> old country, and her family, I don't know.
> Maybe it was the war. In those days they had to fear those who were
> not "German here in Usa. My father told me how it was to be german
> during the war over here. One did not talk about it much. Maybe for
> fear the childrean would also repeat stuff.
>So much information just didn't get mentioned. Also my father was teased
>by someone and called "the duke" and that may have been another reason
>things just didn't get mentioned.
>I only came into my knowledge of Anna Vogel only from Sept to
>now. through some wonderful vogels in Iowa, who are also hunting down
>other vogels. That was the first I had ever heard of these people, they
>were caretakers of my grandmother and her husband William Seil was a
>possible grandparent.?.
>This anna is the daughter of Franczisca Umlauf and Ignaz Vogel. Although
>her death certificate says E. I see there is another name with Similiar
>sound. Other relatives suggest Ignza. is correct. One can only put on
>death certificates what one knows and if the parents or acting parents
>never talkeded about themselves how could survivers ever put in anything
>of importance.
>To make this long story shorter, I will add that It is not a fact that I
>am blood related to this woman. and it was too early for her to have known
>about WW . I have not traced her back to Czech family as of yet in
>Kralicky and don't know what has happened to all her relatives during the
>wars. I haven't even thought of that!!. What has happened to them?
>After the war I do know that some of the family were sending care
>packages to MAX AND ANNA MUEL who were suppose to be from Wurtemburg
>area and see that is not near Czech country. [Some of the family were
>supose to be from Eagle mountain area].
>
> The other vogels are working on theirs. .
>;If you have any more information for me I will appreciate it. I passed
>on the informtion by this wonderful instrument and I am going to look
>into your website.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Lewin <>
>To: <>
>Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [CZ] Vogel
>
>
>At 02:07 31/12/00, you wrote:
> ><< Hi, I am hoping that you would have some success in finding my ANNA
> VOGEL.. Anna Vogel from Grulich or Kralicky in Bohemia-Czech. She
> came >possibly with her nephew Frank Vogel. She would be 41-46 yers of
> age. Her >father was Ignac or Ignaz and Her mother would be Franczisca
> (?)Umlauf Vogel. She most likely came to america in 1887. >>
>
>
>Can you please tell me whether your VOGEL - VOGL - has any connection to
>"my" VOGL:
>
>
>
>Search and Unite was established in general in order to try to help rejoin
>family members who were separated by the ravages of World War II, and who
>may have survived. We are also searching for people whose families
>originate in what is now the territory of the Czech Republic, and who may
>have a chance to reclaim Real-estate which was taken from the families by
>the Nazi Regime at the start of World War II.
>
>These searches have just become particularly urgent because it has just
>been announced in Prague that all claims for Real Estate property must be
>submitted by 25 May 2001. After that, whatever the circumstances, the
>Authorities will contemplate no further claims. If you are interested to
>see what our work is about, please spend a few minutes and look at our web
>pages at http://remember.org/unite. There are a number of requests posted
>there for people we seek.
>
>In this particular case and the reason I am writing to you - we are
>looking for people last heard of in the 1940’s or early 1950’s.
>
>1. Elsa PICK (PICKOVÁ) last known address in 1950 was 324 East 82nd
>Street New York City USA
>2. Hatie PECK (PECKOVÁ) last known address: 5657 Washington Boulevard
>Chicago IL, USA
>3. VOGL (VOGEL), Josef Rehovot near Tel-Aviv Israel in year
>1950 POSSIBLY BORN IN 1898 (born 17Oct 1895)
>It is known that he was the son of Arye, and that he died without having
>children. We have so far failed to find any heirs.
>4. kpt. Bedøich VOGL Praha XI Pøemyslovská 41
>
>5 VOGLOVÁ Julie Praha XI in 1942 transport? Date of death 26.4.1942
>
>Do any of these names mean anything to you?
>
>Can you guide us to anyone, anywhere, whom you think can shed light on this
>search?
>
>Other unverified, but possible relatives: Henry Peck 6 Jun 1937 Julia Peck
>29 Feb 1944 Joseph Peck 8 Sep 1950 Hattie Peck 14 Oct 1950 Sidney Peck 4
>Jan 1964 Leoni Peck 29 Jan 1989
>
>We need to locate relatives or heirs of these people. They have a claim
>on Real Estate in Prague.
>Please pass this fax on to whoever survives of that family. I would
>welcome direct contact with them.
>
>I would be very grateful for any help or suggestion you may have to help us
>locate these people or other members of their families.
>
>Equally, if you know of anyone else whose roots are in what is now the
>Czech Republic, please help us spread he word. They may still have a chance
>to put in a claim EVEN IF IN THE PAST THEY WERE TOLD IT WAS HOPELESS!
>
>
>David Lewin
>London

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many years since World War II, may still exist "out there". We also assist
in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic. See our
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