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From: Steven Lominac <>
Subject: Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:41:28 -0600
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It happened exactly that way in my own family. My brother and his girlfriend didn't work out at a very young age. The subsequent son took on his mom's surname. My nephew has a different surname even though he is of the male line and one day if he wants to test I am assuming we we will be an exact match. I am curently talking to some Lomenech's in France as I have just commenced a DNA project in FTDNA and got a reply from Christelle Lomenech as such:

"Hello Steven,I'm Christelle, Charles daughter. Our surname, Lomenech, appeared in Bretagne to the 11th century.In Bretagne, we have an historic language, the "breton". In breton, the origin of Lomenech is "Loc" (place) and "Menec'h" (monk).It wants to say "the place of the monk". Our ancestors thus lived near a monastery. My researches stopped there for the moment."

I guess the point being there will be a number of people with this surname over this 8-9 centuries that will not match me for one reason or another as Sandy pointed out but.....I don't know if you can equate today's social order (chaotic as far as unwed mother's etc. is concerned) with centuries past. That number seems high Sandy but that's pure conjecture on my part.

Steve Lominac > From: > To: > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:06:09 +0000> Subject: Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency> > Hi All> > I found one estimate that the number of adopted people in the USA is> somewhere between 6m and 10m, so 3% of the population may be about right.> > What I'm trying to estimate is that proportion of males who have a surname> different to that of their natural father. Apart from adoption, it can> happen when the family surname is passed down a female line. This happens in> a young pregnancy where the mother doesn't marry, and the child is given the> mother's maiden name as a surname.> > Another way a child can end up with a surname other than that of his or her> natural father is a young pregnancy, where the mother marries someone other> than the natural father.> > Then there are the kind of NPE's by which a child is fathered by someone> other than a married woman's husband.> > There are probably other ways that I haven't thought of. > > All in all, I'd say it wouldn't be far out to work on about 6% of male> children ending up with a surname other than that of his natural father.> > The implications of this are quite startling. It means that going back say> 50 generations, the chances of a male child having the Y-chromosones of his> paper-trail 47xg-grandfather is only about about (.94)^50 = .0453> > This seems quite relevant to me in considering for instance the DNA of> purportedly Dalriadic descendants. In particular, the roughly 10% R1b1c7> found in Clan McDonald would seem to be about what one would expect if they> were originally R1b1c7.> > Any thought, anyone?> > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: > [mailto:] On Behalf Of Sandy Paterson> Sent: 05 November 2008 11:42> To: > Subject: [R-M222] NPE Frequency> > Does anyone in the group have a view on NPE frequency?> > For purposes of the exercise, the definition of NPE includes teenage> pregnancies where the mother either never marries, or marries someone other> than the natural father of the child).> > > Sandy Paterson> > R1b1c7 Research and Links:> > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/>; -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > R1b1c7 Research and Links:> > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/>; -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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