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From: Carole Dutton Malisiak <>
Subject: Re: Amazing new early DUTTON info!
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:20:35 -0500
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Hi Phyllis,

I, of course, want a copy of the pictures and text. Maybe
we can buy the book from the Cambridge University Press.

Since they have exhumed 40 bodies, maybe we could have DNA
tests run on them. I know that I brought this up sometime
ago, but finding and digging up bodies seemed a little
drastic. But they've already dug them up for us. Now, I
know almost nothing about the DNA tests--but it sounded like
better proof of lineage than a pedigree and it didn't sound
that expensive either!! They were talking about it last
year on soc.genealogy.medieval.

I wonder if they can date the 'Coat of Arms frets' as there
is ambiguity about when it was first used. Also, are there
any other coat of arms in the pictures?

Ormerod reports on page 3 and 4, "In noticing the
affinities of the Arms of De Lascy, Dutton, and Norres,
allusion was made to the frets in the two latter coats as
being probably earlier than the battle of Poictiers, at
which time, Dr. Gower states, on rather loose authority,
that Dutton, and the other esquires of Lord Audley, adopted
usage of a fret at his request. No authority for this
armorial usage by Dutton has occurred earlier than the time
of Sir Thomas Dutton who lived after, as well as before,
this battle...." (Battle of Poictiers 19 Sep 1356)
Additionally, "The Norres Coat is supposed to be derived
from the Coat of Dutton, and , therefore, later than it...."
However, the seal of Alan le Noreis, Lord of Daresbury
was documented to be in use in 19 Edw I [1291]; therefore,
it seems that the Coat of Dutton was in use prior to Poictiers.

Ormerod, George. "Miscellanea Palatina...." Not published,
but printed for private distribution in 1851. (LDS film)

Finally, there are only two documented sons of Odard: Hugh
fitzOdard and Gilbert.

Carole

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