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From: "John P. Ravilious" <>
Subject: Re: CP Addition: Elizabeth de Tiliol, wife of Anthony,Lord Lucy (d. 1343)
Date: 1 May 2007 03:48:44 -0700
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Hello All,

Following is a 5 generation AT for Joan de Lucy, daughter of Sir
Anthony de Lucy and Elizabeth de Tilliol and heiress (in her issue) of
her niece Maud, Baroness Lucy.

Cheers,

John

___________________________________________


1 Joan de Lucy. Joan died on 4 Jul 1369.[1]

heiress (in her issue) of her niece Maud, Baroness Lucy[1]

cf. Fasti Ebor I:428[2]

aft 7 Jan 1339 Joan married Sir William de Melton.[2],[3]


2 Anthony de Lucy.
Born bef 24 Aug 1283.[1]
died bef 10 Jun 1343, he was 59.[1]

of Papcastle (Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland[4]

Sheriff of Cumberland and Westmoreland, 1318-19, 1323, 1338-41

fought at the Battle of Bannockburn, 25 June 1314; escaped
together with Humphrey de Bohun, John de Segrave and others
to Bothwell Castle
- made prisoner there by Walter fitz Gilbert, constable of
Bothwell, and ransomed by King Robert (Barrow p. 330, cites
Barbour (237) and Vita Edwardi II, 55[5])

ransomed before December 1315

summoned to Parliament from 15 May 1321 to 24 Feb 1342/43 by
writs directed 'Antonio de Lucy', whereby held to have become
Lord Lucy
arrested Harcla at Carlisle Castle, 1322

granted in fee the castle and honor of Cockermouth for his
service at Carlisle, 4 June 1323 *

* Sanders shows this was the half of Allerdale below Derwent
not inherited by de Lucy through Alice de Lucy (Sanders p. 135)[4]

Justiciar of Ireland March 1330/31 to Sept 1332[1]

Anthony married Elizabeth de Tiliol[1].


3 Elizabeth de Tiliol.[1]

' Elizabeth wife of Anthony de Lucy ' [Wilson, The Tilliols:
The Ancestor IV:100[6]]

Sir Daniel Fleming of Rydal, in his Description of the County
of Westmoreland (1671), wrote,
' Anthony Lord Lucy brother and heir to the last Thomas Lucy,
succeeded in the inheritance. He married Elizabeth the
daughter of Robt Tilliolf Lord of Scaleby. ' [Duckett, ed.
Westmorland p. 44[7]; see also p. 154 concerning the
"Tylliolf" lords of Scaleby: ' Geoffrey had issue Robert
Tylliolf who died 18 Ed. 2nd, he purchased the third part
of Levington, and had issue Peter or Piers and a daughter
Elizabeth wife of Anthony Lucy.'[7]]


4 Thomas de Lucy. Thomas died bef 9 Apr 1305.[1]

of Papcastle (Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland

fined for a knight's fee in Cumberland, 1283[1]

in 1292 the market and fair at Kirkoswald, Cumbs.) were held
by ' Thomas son of Thomas de Multon de Gilleslaund,' who
claimed to be the heir of the grantee, although this was
challenged by the Crown (QW, p. 122). '[8] - claim based
on his descent from Hugh de Morville

In 1279 Thomas married Isabel de Boltby.[9]


5 Isabel de Boltby.

coheiress of her father (Sanders p. 127)[4]

had the manors of Langdale in Cumberland, and Hayden and
Alrewas as her maritagium[9]


6 Sir Robert de Tiliol.[10]
Born bef 1266.[6]
died in 1321, he was 55.[6]

of Scaleby, Cumberland, and of Swine in Holderness (de jure uxoris)

2nd husband

IPM of Sir Robert de Tiliol, 14 Edw. II, No. 42 [1321 - The
Ancestor IV:94[6]]

cf. VCH VII:111[11]
Wilson, The Tilliols (The Ancestor IV:93-94)[6]

ca 1292 when Sir Robert was 26, he married Maud de Lascelles.[12]


7 Maud de Lascelles.
died in 1343.[11],[10]

3rd daughter and coheiress with her sisters[1]

Agreement concerning the division of the inheritance, dated
27 June 1302:
' Agreement between Joan widow of Thomas de Colewynne, Sir
Robert de Tylyolle and wife Matilda, Sir Ralph Fitz Ranulph
and wife Theophila, and Robert le Constable and wife Avice
(daughters and heirs of Sir Roger de Lascelles) on the
division of Sir Roger's fees in Yorks., Westmorland and Lincs.
: property homage, service and fees of free towns of [...]
Sournta' and Estkryke, co. Yorks., to remain to Joan de C.
: All in Yorks to remain to Robert and Avice le C.
: All others in Lincs. and in Westmorland to remain to
Robert and Matilda de T. and Ralph and Theophila Fitz R.
Given at Eskryke, Wed. after Nat. St. John baptist. 30 Ed. I. '
- A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 - DDCC/135], DDCC/135/51[13]

she was widowed again in 1321, and certainly by 17 July 1322:
letter of protection dated at York, 17 July 1322:
' Protection with clause nolumus for one year for [the
following], who is constantly attendant upon the king's
service: -
Matilda, late the wife of Robert Tyliol. '
[CPR 16 Edw. II, p. 174, mem. 23[14]]

exchanged her share of Kirby Knowle, co. Yorks to sister Avice
for an additional share of Ellerton-on-Derwent, co. Yorks[1],
dated 12 March 1324/25:
' Gift: Matilda widow of Sir Robert de Tilliol to Sir Robert le
Constable of Holdernesse and his wife Dame Avice property
all her share of the manor of Kirby-underknoll, With 1
messuage, 1 bovate, 46½ ac. 1r. 10 p., and rents of 4s. 8¾d.
and 1 lb. of pepper in Eskryk (Reserving a fourth part of the
manor of the town and of the advowson of Estkryk) ie the
messuage William Foster holds at will, a bovate Henry Pechard
sometime held, 31 ac. 1r. 10 p. in Prestring, 2½ ac.
in Robriding, 3 ac. in Martinriding, 3 ac., 2s. 8¾d yearly from
Matilda de Eskryk for a messuage and 2 bovates, and 2s. and
1 lb. pepper yearly from Emma de Sellis for a messuage and 2
bovates.
.......
In exchange for all their property in the manor of Ellerton
super Derwent
Witn. Sir William de Thweng or Tweng, John de Sutton,
William de la Tower, Thomas de Pyke, Walter de Fauconbridge,
Roger de la Hay. Given at Halsham in Holdernesse, St.
Gregory 1324. ' - A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and
Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family
[DDCC/111 - DDCC/135], DDCC/135/51[13]

she rendered homage to the Archbishop of York for certain lands
in Swine:
' 1325, Aug. 29. In manerio domini apud Burton prope
Beverlacum, domina Matilda Tyliol fecit domino Willelmo,
etc., hom. et juravit sibi fid. pro terris et ten. quae
clamat tenere de eo in Swyna; et habet diem ad certificandum
dictum dominum quae ten. et terras tenet de eo, et per quae
servitia, citra festum Sancti Michaelis proximo futurum.
Ibid. ' [Kirkby's Inquest, p. 416[15]]

" scon bacheler Robert de Hilton ", wrote a letter to
Archbishop William de Melton ca Dec 1325, thanking him for
meeting his mother, "ma dame ma mere" at his request,
concerning the manor of Swine. [ ' A Letter from Robert
de Hilton to Archbishop Melton concerning the manor of
Swine ' [Reg. archiep. Melton, inter ff. 566, 567]',
Kirkby's Inquest, p. 440. The notes to this letter state,
' A copy of this letter is entered in Melton's Register
(fol. 566b) among documents dated in December, 1325.
Matilda, daughter and coheiress of Sir Roger de Lascelles,
and widow of Sir William de Hilton and Sir Robert de
Tiliol (Poulson's Holderness, ii., 197). On Aug. 29th,
1325, Matilda Tyliol did homage to archbishop Melton "pro
terris et ten. quae clamat tenere de eo in Swyna" (Kirkby's
Inquest, page 416).' ][15]


held Swine in dower - 'Robertus Tyliol' was lord of Swine
{of the dower of his wife} [Kirkby's Inquest, p. 305 -
'Nomina Villarum' for Yorkshire, 9 Edw. II (1316)[15]]

she m. 1stly William de Hilton,
2ndly Robert de Tiliol[1]

cf. Wilson, The Tilliols (The Ancestor IV:93-94)[6]


8 Alan de Multon. Alan died aft 1249.[1]

younger son

he m. lstly Serota de Lancaster (Sanders p. 57, note 3)[4],
2ndly Alice de Lucy

bef 1219 Alan married Alice de Lucy.[1]


9 Alice de Lucy.
died bef 24 Mar 1287.[1]

coheiress of her father[1]

her inheritance included half the lordship of Papcastle
(Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland (Sanders p. 134-5)[4]


10 Adam de Boltby.
died in 1281.[4]

of Langley, Northumberland


12 Geoffrey de Tiliol.
ca 1230.[6]
died in 1295, he was 65.[6]

of Scaleby, Cumberland

cf. Wilson, The Tilliols (The Ancestor IV:90-92)[6]


14 Roger de Lascelles.
died ca 1300.[1]

of Barbon, Westmoreland; Maunby and Kirby Knowle, co. York
identified as 'Roger de Magneby' in charter of 29 Mar 1253[1]

Sided with baronial party against King Henry III 1265

safe conduct dated at Westminster, 30 Jan 1265/6 :
' Safe conduct until three weeks after Easter for Roger de
Lasceles, coming to the king's court, provided that he stand
his trial etc. ' [CPR Hen III (1258-1266), mem. 32, p. 542[16]]

pardoned 1266

lord of Ellerton-on-Derwent, Kirby Knowle, Carperby, Scruton,
Thrintoft and Kirby Wiske, Yorks.[1]

' Rogero de Lascelys', held the manor of Kirby Knowle, co.
York. of Hugh de Hupsale, ca. 1281 [Kirkby's Inquest,
p. 96[15]]; also 1/2 carucate and 12 bovates in Maunby of
the Earl of Richmond; 6 carucates in Kirby Knowle of the
Earl, and 3 carucates in Newby on Wysk, 1284-5 [Kirkby's
Inquest, p. 176[15]]

Summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 by writ directed
'Rogero de Lasceles', held thereby to have become Lord
Lascelles[1]

Roger married Elizabeth 'filia Willielmi'[1].


15 Elizabeth 'filia Willielmi'.[1]
died bef 25 May 1323.[1],[17]

'Isabel' [Knights I:233, III:17[17]]

identified in 1575 Visitation as daughter of William fitz Thomas
(evidently in error)

record of her tenancy in 1301, manor of 'Kyrkeby sub Knol' :
" De Isabella de Lasceles ....... vs. vd. o. q. ' [Brown,
Yorkshire Lay Subsidies, YAJ XXI:84[18]]

received the manor of Ellerton-on-Derwent as her maritagium[1]:

concerning her maritagium, Kirkby's Inquest, p. 89, note <q>
states as follows (ca. 1284-5):
' 7-9 Edward I. On a plea of Quo Warranto before John de
Vaux and others, Roger de Lasceles
"dicit quod tenet manerium suum de Hellerton, ut liberum
maritagium Elizabethae uxoris suae, de Willelmo [filio]
Thomae, qui ipsum inde defendit et acquietet contra
omnes homines " (Plac. de Quo Warr., 200). ' [15]

cf. VCH III:20[19]
_____________________________


16 Sir Thomas de Multon.
died in 1240.[1]

knt., of Moulton, co. Lincs.
supporter of King John, then of the barons by Easter 1215;
captured by King John at Rochester and imprisoned at Corfe
December 1215 (freed after death of John , 1216)

Knighted 1224
sheriff of Cumberland 27 January 1232/33 - 1236[1]

he m. 1stly Sarah de Flete,
2ndly Ada de Morville

ca 1190 Sir Thomas married Sarah de Flete.[1]


17 Sarah de Flete.


18 Richard de Lucy.
died in 1213.[1],[4]
lord of Egremont.

of Egremont, Cumberland

Hugh de Morville received permission for the marriage of his
daughter Ada to Richard de Lucy, 1200:
' Hugh de Morevill owes 2 destriers (Dextrarios) for permitting
a marriage between his daughter and Richard de Egremont. '
[VCH Cumberland I:386[21], extract from Pipe Roll 2 John]

' Ricardus de Lucy ', granted the church of Burgh to Holm
Cultram priory, "pro salute animae meae, et pro anima Hugonis
de Moreville" [Mon. Angl. V:596, num. X[22]]

had grants by charter from King John for a market and fair at
Ravenglass, Cumberland:
' M (Charter) Sat; mercatum, granted 20 Aug 1208, by K[ing]
John to Richard de Lucy. ' To be held at the manor ' (RCh,
p. 182). In 1208, Richard de Luci owed a good palfrey for
the market and the fair (below) (PR, 10 John, p. 44). Sat
market held by Thomas son of Lambert de Multon recorded in
1292, which he claimed of old (QW, p. 114).
F (Charter) f, James the Apostle (25 Jul); feria gr 20 Aug
1208, by K John to Richard de Lucy. To be held at the manor
(RCh, p. 182). In 1208, Richard de Luci owed a good palfrey
for the fair and the market (above) (PR, 10 John, p. 44). Fair
held by Thomas son of Lambert de Multon recorded in 1292, which
he claimed of old (QW, p. 114). On 4 Apr 1322, a third of a
fair (the feast of which was not specified) was assigned to
Eleanor, late the wife of Thomas de Multon of Egremont, in
dower (CCR, 1318-22, p. 567). '[8]


In 1200 Richard married Ada de Morville.[21]


19 Ada de Morville.
died aft 1229.[1]

elder daughter and coheiress of her father
[ heiress in her issue of full Morville inheritance, on
failure of descendants of sister Joan - CP IX:401n[1];
also Sanders, p. 24[4]]

her father received permission for the marriage of Ada to
Richard de Lucy, 1200:
' Hugh de Morevill owes 2 destriers (Dextrarios) for permitting
a marriage between his daughter and Richard de Egremont. '
[VCH Cumberland I:386[21], extract from Pipe Roll 2 John]

she m. lstly Richard de Lucy,
2ndly (as 2nd wife) Thomas de Multon

cf. CP IX:401 sub _Multon_[1];
Sanders, p. 24[4]


20 Nicholas de Boltby.
died bef 31 Oct 1272.[12],[4]

of Langley, Northumberland de jure uxoris

' Nicholas de Bolteby ', had charters for a market and fair
granted 26 Jun 1267, by King Henry III, ' To be held at the
manor '. (CChR, 1257-1300, p. 77)[8]

'knight of the shire', Parliament of 1258[12]
cf. YAS XCI:19[12]

Nicholas married Philippa de Tindale.


21 Philippa de Tindale.


24 Sir Peter de Tiliol.
Born aft 1192.[6]
died bef 18 Nov 1246, he was 54.[6]

of Scaleby, Cumberland

IPM of Sir Peter de Tiliol, 5 Dec 1246 (30 Hen. III No. 46[6])

cf. Wilson, The Tilliols (The Ancestor IV:90-91)[6]

Sir Peter married Mary.


25 Mary.


cf. Wilson, The Tilliols (The Ancestor IV:91)[6]


28 Thomas de Maunby.
died bef 20 Jan 1238.[1]

first husband of Avice de Lascelles;
lord of Kirby Knowle, Westmoreland[1]

Thomas married Avice de Lascelles.


29 Avice de Lascelles.
died bef 1261.[1]

heiress of her brother Roger de Lascelles; identified as
niece of Picot de Lascelles and great-granddaughter of
Picot de Lascelles[1]

cf. VCH III:20[19] [Escrick]


30 Sir William fitz Ralph.
died aft Jun 1269.[1]

knight, of Grimthorpe and Hildreskelf, co. York[1]

' The Baron of Craistoke holds in Beleby [Beilby, Hayton
parish], of the Earl, six carucates of land for 8s rent; Sir
William fitz Ralph of Crimpthorpe holds 18 carucates for
£4 8s. 7 1/2 d.; Ralph de Lascelles, 27 bovates in Brunneby
[Burnby], for 20s; and they all do suit. ' [IPM of William
de Fortibus, Earl of Albemarle, writ dated at Westminster,
1 Aug 1260 - Yorks. Inqs. I:76[23]]

Sir William married Joan de Greystoke.


31 Joan de Greystoke.

Genealogics #I00451657[24]

re: her husband:

knight, of Grimthorpe and Hildreskelf, co. York[1]





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On Apr 30, 10:11 pm, "John P. Ravilious" <> wrote:
> Monday, 30 April, 2007
>
> Hello All,
>
> The account in Complete Peerage concerning Anthony de Lucy, Lord
> Lucy (d. bef 10 June 1343) identifies his wife only as Elizabeth.
>
> No direct evidence as to her identity has been found to date,
> but two secondary sources identify her as Elizabeth de Tiliol (or
> Tilliolf), daughter of Sir Robert de Tiliol of Scaleby, Cumberland,
> and his wife Maud de Lasceles (widow of Sir William de Hilton of
> Swine and Winestead, co. Yorks.):
>
> 1. In a pedigree of the Tilliol family, Rev. James Wilson
> shows one daughter of Sir Robert de Tilliol and his wife
> Maud as ' Elizabeth wife of Anthony de Lucy ' [1].
>
> 2. In 1671, Sir Daniel Fleming of Rydal wrote concerning
> the "Tylliolf" lords of Scaleby: ' Geoffrey had issue Robert
> Tylliolf who died 18 Ed. 2nd, he purchased the third part
> of Levington, and had issue Peter or Piers and a daughter
> Elizabeth wife of Anthony Lucy' [2].
>
> We certainly find Sir Peter de Tiliol and Sir Anthony de Lucy
> closely associated, including letters of protection granted on
> 8 June 1322 at Haddlesey for ' Andrew de Hartcla, earl of Carlisle,
> staying in the Marches of Scotland on the king's service ' as well
> as for those individuals (including John de Haverington, Anthony de
> Lucy, Ralph de Nevill, Ranulf de Dacre, Peter de Tilliolf and
> others) ' staying in his company ' [3].
>
> Elizabeth de Tiliol was evidently named for her maternal
> grandmother, Elizabeth, daughter of Sir William fitz Ralph, of
> Grimthorpe and Hildreskelf, co. York (d. aft June 1269) and his
> wife Joan de Greystoke. This identification provides some modest
> increase in the known ancestry of the Tilliols, as well as the
> Lords Lucy (incl. the later Lords Lucy of the Melton family) and
> their descendants of the Pierrepont, Lowe and other families.
>
> I will post a limited AT for Elizabeth de Tiliol in a
> subsequent post. Should anyone have any further relevant
> documentation, comment or criticism, that would be most
> welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John *
>
> NOTES
>
> [1] Rev. James Wilson, Some Extinct Cumberland Families: The
> Tilliols. The Ancestor: A Quarterly Review of County and
> Family History, Heraldry and Antiquities (London: Archibald
> Constable & Co. Ltd., Jan. 1903), Num. IV, p. 100.
>
> [2] Sir G. F. Duckett, Bart., ed., Description of the County of
> Westmoreland, by Sir Daniel Fleming of Rydal, A.D. 1671
> (London: Bernard Quaritch; Kendal: T. Wilson, 1882), p. 154.
>
> [3] CPR 16 Edw. II, p. 130, mem. 9.
>
> * John P. Ravilious




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