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From: "John P. Ravilious" <>
Subject: Campbell of Loudoun redux: Kennedy, and Stewart of Garlies
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:45:44 -0700 (PDT)


Friday, 12 September, 2008


Hello All,

In the Scots Peerage account of the Campbells of
Loudoun, there is the well-known statement concerning Sir
George Campbell of Loudoun (d. bef 1 Aug 1496) that
'He is said to have married, first, a daughter of
Gilbert, first Lord Kennedy,...'[1]. The author goes on
in the same sentence with regard to his second marriage
to Marion Auchinleck: concerning this marriage there is
documentation cited, but source or evidence is given
regarding the alleged Kennedy marriage. No such
daughter is noted in the SP account concerning the
Kennedys of Dunure [2].

An interesting piece of evidence was noted in the
Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, an instrument providing a
record of the banns proclaimed at Ayr concerning marriage
contracted between Thomas Kennedy and Margaret Campbell
in November 1528:

' 923. Instrument narrating that Sir Henry Huntar,
curate of Air, publicly proclaimed banns for
marriage to be contracted between Thomas
Kennedy, son and heir-apparent of Alexander
Kennedy of Bargany, and Margaret Campble,
daughter of the late Hugh Campble of Lowdoune,
Knight, in presence of the parishioners in
time of high mass, and he published a
dispensation for the impediment of
consanguinity of the third and fourth degrees
descending from one stock, and the third and
fourth descending from the other stock,
legally obtained and duly put to execution
(here a line is wanting), granted by the
prothonotary, and no one compeared to object.
Done in the parish church (of Air?) same
date as preceding writs. Witnesses, Sir
John Fair, George Blair, parish clerk,
John Murt and Sir ... Book, 63b. ' [3]

The dispensation cited clearly states that Thomas
Kennedy and Margaret Campbell were related in the 3rd
and 4th degrees of consanguinity from two 'stocks'.
One relationship is readily discernable, and in fact
would support the marriage of Sir George Campbell
(1stly) to a daughter of Gilbert, Lord Kennedy. These
two would then be Margaret Campbell's paternal
grandparents: Thomas Kennedy's paternal grandmother,
Katherine Kennedy, was a daughter of John, 2nd Lord
Kennedy, and a niece of Sir George Campbell's wife.
The following chart gives the descent for the pair
from Gilbert, 1st Lord Kennedy, and illustrates their
consanguinity in the 3rd (Margaret) and 4th (Thomas)
degrees.



Gilbert Kennedy = Katherine
Lord Kennedy I Maxwell
I
_________________I_________________
I I
John Kennedy NN Kennedy
2nd Lord Kennedy = Sir George Campbell
= Elizabeth Montgomery of Loudoun
I I
I I
Katherine Sir Hugh = Isabel
= Thomas Kennedy of Campbell I Wallace
Bargany of Loudoun I
I I
I I
Alexander = Marion I
Kennedy I Dunbar I
I ___________________I
I I
Thomas = Margaret
Kennedy Campbell


The second relationship is rather less certain, but
a possibility presents itself. The parentage of
Elizabeth Stewart, wife of Sir George Campbell of
Loudoun (d. bef 27 Jan 1491/2) and great-grandmother
of Margaret Campbell, has been the subject of
discussion and conjecture [re: which see the SGM
archives] but has not been established to date. As
opposed to other versions previously presented, I
would suggest that Elizabeth may have been the
daughter of Sir Alexander Stewart of Garlies, co.
Kirkcudbright, by his wife Elizabeth Douglas. While
there is as yet no direct evidence, this proposal is
based on the following:

A. Outside their Ayrshire holdings (Loudoun &c.),
the Campbells of Loudoun held lands at Edingham
and Collyndach (Cullendoch), co. Kirkcudbright.
Cullendoch lies 14 km. east of Garlies Castle:
there likely would have been at least sporadic
contact between the families given this
proximity.

B. Elizabeth Stewart would have been the
namesake of her mother Elizabeth Douglas,
and presumably also of her paternal
grandmother, Elizabeth, wife of Sir William
Stewart of Garlies.

C. The additional relationship between Thomas
Kennedy and Margaret Campbell would be
resolved, they being related in the 3rd
(Thomas) and 4th (Margaret) degrees of
consanguinity by their descent from Sir
Alexander Stewart of Garlies and his wife.

The following chart illustrates both the common
Kennedy descent, and the suggested Stewart of Garlies
descent. The conjectural relationship between Sir
Alexander Stewart and Elizabeth, wife of Sir George
Campbell, is shown.


NOTE: The following chart displays a conjectured
relationship [ _ _ _ _ _ ], for which direct
evidence is wanting.


Sir Alexander Stewart = Elizabeth
of Garlies I Douglas
_________________I_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I I
I I
I Gilbert, 1st = Katherine I
I Lord Kennedy I Maxwell I
I ______I_______ I
I I I I
I John Kennedy I Elizabeth
I 2nd Lord Kennedy I Stewart
I = Elizabeth I = Sir George
I Montgomery I Campbell
I I I I
I I I I
John = Janet Katherine NN = Sir
Dunbar I Stewart = Thomas Kennedy I George
of I__ Kennedy I Campbell
Mochrum I ___I I____
I I I
I I I
Marion = Alexander Isabel = Sir Hugh
Dunbar I Kennedy Wallace I Campbell
I of Bargany I of Loudoun
I _____________I
I I
Thomas = Margaret
Kennedy Campbell


Should anyone have comment, criticism or additional
evidence re: the above, that would be welcome.

Cheers,

John




NOTES

[1] SP V:493.

[2] Ibid., II:452-4.

[3] Rev. John Anderson and Francis J. Grant, W.S.,
eds., Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.,
1512-1532 (Edinburgh: printed for the Scottish
Record Society by James Skinner & Company,
1908) p. 165, no. 923. Contracted spousals
"per verba de presenti" also recorded, ibid.,
pp. 166-7, no. 931.



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