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From: "Glen Johnson" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] question about DYS385 of 12,13
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:17:22 -0400
In-Reply-To: <19d.818c61d.2aa8cf50@aol.com>


Shortly after posting this message, I found a map of Viking routes. If you
superimpose the Viking map over the map created using my Y-STR database
hits, the map of my hits is practically indistinguishable from the map of
the Viking route which encircles modern-day Spain and Portugal and continues
on to the northwest coast of Italy.

Using my DYS385 of [12,13] and nothing else, I get another widely-dispersed
pattern of 130 hits, mostly central Europe, northern Italy and that same
encirclement of Spain and Portugal. If you combine my DYS385 values with
the rest of my markers, I get nothing.

We never knew who my grandfather's father was. We were told he was the son
of the farmer who owned the farm where my great-grandmother worked as a
servant. I located the farm using the church records. Since it is still
owned by the same family, I tested the present owner, who is a direct male
descendant of the man who owned the farm at the time my grandfather was
born. The result of the tests were totally negative. I couldn't understand
the results, why they were so different from one another.

I had a friend from Scania look at this guy's genealogy and she saw the
reason in less than five minutes. This fellow's progenitor was born in
Smaland in 1765. While Smaland is very close to where my grandfather was
born, it was part of Old Sweden. Old Sweden was home to most of the Vikings
who went east to eastern Europe, Russia, Greece and so on. The map created
using my alleged cousin's Y-STR database hits spreads out over eastern
Europe, Russia etc.

On the other hand, the three provinces of southern Sweden called Scania,
where my grandfather was born, were part of Denmark until 1658. The people
of Scania once spoke their own language and were different from Swedes in
other respects. It may be that they are genetically different as well. The
Vikings of Denmark went southwest of course, which is where the majority of
my Y-STR hits are found.

It will be interesting to test this out. I will round up a few local
fellows who can trace their genealogy in Scania back to before 1650, have
them tested and see how they match up with each other, and with me. Taking
that further, we could then test a few local fellows who trace their
ancestry to Old Sweden and note the differences. This tiny set of tests
will not amount to anything statistically, obviously. But it will probably
generate local interest, and that could lead somewhere.

Glen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:17 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] question about DYS385 of 12,13
>
>
> In a message dated 09/04/02 12:15:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
>
> > Does anyone see a pattern to this distribution? It makes no
> sense to me at
> > all.
>
> Well, yes -- I see a pattern. It could be called "widely
> dispersed." <g> I
> think you might be in the Atlantic Modal Haplotype, the most
> common European
> haplotype based on the six markers DYS19, 388, 390, 391, 392 and
> 393. The Y
> STR database doesn't include DYS388, though.
>
> >
> > What is the significance of my DYS385 values of [12,13] and why
> they are so
> > unusual?
>
> The Y STR database wasn't working last night or this morning, but
> it might be
> an interesting exercise to plug in just your DYS385 numbers and see their
> distribution. You'll also get a table showing values of other
> markers which
> have been found with DYS385 = 12,13.
>
> Ann Turner
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