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From: "Pieter J. Cramwinckel" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Print DNA Test Results, East-Asian component
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:48:19 +0100
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Charles and others (who report East Asian %)Possibly there is some confusion between East Asian and American Indian.
There appears to be no discriminating factor in the DNYPrint tests, even though East Asian (a rather vague term) seems to refer to what would be better termed Far East Asian (as it refers to chinese or Japanese). But that is probably not what is meant here.
Funnliy enough, I do not know how the labs distinguish between "East Asian" and "Amerindian" echo's in these tests, as, by all known records, the Amerindians are descended from Far East populations.
I gues that these labs have to clean up their act in this respect, by using first of all correct population terminalogy (i.e. distinguish between East Asian and Far East Asian), and devise test on markers to distinguish between Far East Asian and Amerindian markers.
Most of the confusion comes from this, and therefore hold your horses on any leads to Kenghis Khan, or Hun hordes ivading Europe. Most likely there is a higher chance that there is some Amerindian genes in the DNAprint test in your results, given the geographic context of your more recent ancestors....
Pieter J. Cramwinckel
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----- Original Message -----
From: Charles
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Print DNA Test Results, East-Asian component


David,

Possibly my surprising, significant 21% East-Asian BGA is a result of
genetic left overs in many of my Germanic ancestors from the great
invasion of most of Europe by the Huns circa 450 A.D. They reached as
far west as the North Sea and modern France and Northern Italy. I
believe they overran, raped and pillaged, and intermarried with locals
in all of what is now considered Germany and Switzerland. The Huns were
a fierce Mongolian tribe and thus clearly East-Asian, in my opinion.
Just a thought as a possible answer. I know I have a solid pedigree back
9-10 generations which shows no East-Asian ancestry at that level. I
have some lines back 15 generations with no East-Asian ancestry found.
I've been researching my various lines for 30 years. So to find 21%
East-Asian BGA is a real surprise.

I will visit and read the material in the site you suggested.

Charles Kerchner


David Faux wrote:
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> Charles <> wrote:
> David,
>
> I received my Print DNA test results from FamilyTreeDNA today also. My
> results were reported as: European 79%, East-Asian 21%, and
> Native-American 0%. I was surprised at the magnitude of the East-Asian
> figure since my historical genealogical research indicates no such
> heritage. The ancestry was thought to be virtually all German, Swiss,
> French Huguenot, and possibly some English Quaker blood. It must be the
> result of some pre-surname invasion or migration of east asian people's
> from the East-Asian areas into the European areas. I wonder if there is
> a particular area of Europe which has a high percentage of East-Asian
> ancestry in their genome.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Charles: Curious results indeed. These very large findings which cannot be supported with genealogical research has been a bone of contention with me for some time - as reflected in my postings on this site.
>
> Last week I talked to Dr. Matt Thomas at AncestrybyDNA (the lab that does the actual testing) and we spent quite some time going over this issue. You will see on their site now an awareness to this problem and you can go to the FAQ section (at the end of the answers) where this "issue" is discussed. I will leave it up to you and others to come to your own conclusions. I am convinced that my small amount of East Asian is just a part of my Native North American ancestry (there being evidence of East Asian migrations to North America). They have to do a very big stretch when it comes to people of full European background. Ultimately they are going to have to quit using "East Asian" and come up with another term since it, along with the map supplied, suggests Korean or Japanese ancestry - which is generally not the case.
>
> Please post your views on the matter after you have had a chance to digest the material in the FAQ section at www.ancestrybydna.com.
>
> David.
>
> Dr. David K. Faux, 4028 Larwin Ave., Cypress, CA, 90630, USA
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