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Subject: RE: [DNA] DNAPrint NA reported as EA
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:40:19 -0500
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Is there a "rule of thumb" about particular eye and hair color and the
"tribe" they come from. For example, I suspect that the % of occurrence
in SSA for blue eyes and red hair is likely ) - and the % in the
Irish/Celtic is probably higher than any other. I'm looking for
patterns here and from that potentially migration patterns.

In my mother's side of the family, which is German and generally dark
complected, we occasionally get a brown eyed blonde child. I don't know
about the blue eyes though - have never heard of that one.


-----Original Message-----
From: David Faux [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] DNAPrint NA reported as EA

Ray: When you speak of Mohawk, I presume you are speaking of moi.
Unfortunately the picture is just not that "black and white" since, of
my family who have been tested with the DNAPrint test Version 2.0, in
addition to Indo - European, some are NA, some are a mix of NA and EA,
and others are strictly EA - I wish there was some consistency, but
there is none.

As to testing "full - blood" Mohawks - there is no such entity.
Intermarriage or miscegenation began in the 1600s at least, and was very
common among the Mohawks. A Mohawk ancestor who was born in 1747 to two
Mohawk parents had a great uncle known as "White Hans" (i.e., White
John). She had a cousin who was known as John "blue eyed" Green. To
have blue eyes, this means that the fellow had a white ancestor on his
mother's side and a white ancestor on his father's side (who knows how
many) each presumably with a recessive blue eye gene.

David F.

Raymond Whritenour <> wrote:
Malcolm (and others):

Sometimes it's difficult to convey sarcasm by the written word. When I
said that "we know" that the DNAPrint test has reported ONLY "East
Asian" percentages for KNOWN Mohawk and Shawnee descendants, I wasn't,
thereby, claiming that it will do this, invariably; and that we could,
therefore, extrapolate from this that Shawnees and Mohawks represent a
later migration to North America--or any other USEFUL information. We
have no way of knowing whether this "EA" reading came from their "Native
American" ancestry, or from their "Indo-European" ancestry, or from
their "Sub-Saharan African" ancestry, or from errors inherent in the
test, itself. So far, no "full-blood" Shawnees or Mohawks have been

Ray Whritenour

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