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From: "Gary Rea" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celtic and Atlantic Modal Cluster
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:29:04 -0600
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Consider that the Celts migrated westward from Asia Minor to the British
Isles and the Iberian Peninsula, and you have the reason why R1b is found
"across Europe."

Gary Rea
Project Administrator
Rea Surname DNA Project

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Faux" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celtic and Atlantic Modal Cluster

> Gary Rea <> wrote:
> >According to this, anyone who is AMH 1.15+ is in the Atlantic Modal
Cluster, >and that is still considered to be "Celtic.":
> I really don't know how many times John, Shane and I as well as others
must state the obvious, relecting the work of Semino, Wilson and many others
that R1b (AMH, AMC, or whatever - take your choice) is found across Europe.
All studies agree (this is not a subject of any controversy whatsoever among
the cutting edge researchers in the field). To repeat, R1b is found
throughout Europe - it is not just Celtic. If most Bavarians are R1b, then
are you going to make them "honorary Celts" - they are in no way Celtic by
any stretch of the imagination - but they are majority R1b.
> There seems to be a simplistic view prevalent here that is being fed by
the people at Oxford Ancestors who will find a willing audience to
uncritically accept their "Celtic seal" on the 10 marker haplotype, present
customers with a fine looking certificate (worthy of framing as a work of
art) attesting to the "fact" (but which is entirely worthless as far as a
scientist such as myself is concerned since it does not take into account
the complexities in the matter and the wealth of information available in
the literature).
> David F., Rb1, but not Celtic.
> Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA
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