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From: "maurice sherman" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celtic haplogroups
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:17:52 -0800

To add a #3. Could it be said that the "CelticCulture or Civilization" as
known around 500 BC from an "Illustrated History of Europe", P. 41, "The
Celts, identified for the first time in the 6th century BC in the upper
valley of the Danube....". and eventually covered a good part of Europe
(800 BC to 400 BC) could be looked upon like a large lake or small sea
(the culture component of the civilization) with many types of fish
(different types of NA signatures/human beings) swimming or migrating
around within the culture???


> [Original Message]
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> Date: 11/6/2003 12:55:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Celtic haplogroups
> Well, I warned everybody there would be trouble if people insisted on
> employing the term "Celtic" in contexts other than the British Isles,
> and it has come to pass. Ordinarily, I try to reply to each message
> in a thread individually, but this thread has jumped the banks. The
> problem is that, while there is a clear definition for R1b, there is
> no such agreement on what "Celtic" means. Obviously, there are many
> clear ways of defining the term, but they aren't the same, because of
> differing levels of emphasis on various cultural, linguistic, and
> ethnic aspects.
> Maybe I can cut through the hubbub by pointing out some crucial
> facts -- facts that have been mentioned here from time to time,
> but that obviously have not entirely registered.
> 1a. No matter how "Celtic" is defined, it goes back only a few
> thousand years.
> 1b. R1b is much older.
> 2a. There is substantial agreement that "Celtic" spread from east
> to west.
> 2b. There is substantial agreement that R1b spread from west to east.
> John Chandler
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