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From: "Palden" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celtic haplogroups
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:52:04 +1100
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Dear David,

My 1 in 5 is in relation to 1 HgG in 5 native Irish Clansmen in Ulster, [1 G to every 4 R1b].

In terms of Picts I believe them to be the Proto-Celtic R1b, not the post Celtic wave R1b. We may find them in terms of further subclades of R1b.

I believe that if Pictish descent is to be found it may be seen in the mtDNA of Shetland.

What is their haplogroup?. And does it match with the mtDNA of known Pictish settlement in Scotland, such as Moray. Further a Clan with a Pictish oral tradition such as the MacNaughton's would be an insight into a possible Y-Line signature.

The MacNaughton Chief lives in Antrim his family have been there since 1580, did I remember to send you his address?

All the best.
Grant South

----- Original Message -----
From: David Faux
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celtic haplogroups

Palden <> wrote:
The Pretanii [Romans called them Pict's] were a Celtic tribe well-established before 500 BCE in Ulster, They were later called Cruithnigh. They made their way to Ireland from Scotland. Their descendants were called Dal Riada and later still Scotii, and this tribe controlled half of Ulster up until the 10 century. They migrated to Scotland in the 3rd century, and it is these Irish people whom the Highland and Harridan Clans look to as their ancestor's. Again this area is where the Hag is found, 1 in 5 of native clans.


I must say that this is very fascinating since one of the goals of my Shetland Island Y-DNA Surname Project was to determine whether there was any evidence that the Picts survived the Norse onslaught in the 800s. To date no study of Shetland has found any Hg G. Would you predict that these Pictish "outliers" would have been 1 in 5 Hg G, and 4 in 5 R1b - or is any sort of prediction possible? Thank you.

David F.

Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA

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