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From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Frequency of R1a with Norse Surnames in the British Isles?
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:42:00 -0600
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From what location in the British Isles? It makes a big difference
whether the invaders into the area were west coast Norwegians or
Dane/Saxons. Orkney, Northern Hebrides, Southern Hebrides, Wales,
mainland Scotland vs England will each differ. There are studies which
used a grid to analyze frequency of R1as across numerous regions in the
British Isles. Once you identify your location, only then can you ask
the next surname question. About 20% of MacDonalds ,descended from our
chiefs, are R1a;our cousins the MacDougalls and MacAlisters have a
higher percentage of R1a. Each of those clans is a Norse gaelic mixture
with gaelic family names. In Orkney there are a substantial number of
R1as with few if any gaelic names except for recent arrivals.
Mark MacDonald

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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Frequency of R1a with Norse Surnames in the British

In a message dated 11/11/03 1:17:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Please let me know if anyone has a rough estimate of
> the percentage of those who are haplogroup R1a and
> from the British Isles and who have surnames of Norse
> origin versus those who are R1a and have surnames that
> are believed to be of non-Norse origin
> (Irish/Welsh/Scottish/Saxon etc.) Perhaps another way
> to phrase the question... What is a relationship
> between R1a in the British Isles and surname origin?

I don't know of any formal study, but you could go to
and type in the modal values for R1a, then search for people who match
most of
those values to see what surnames are listed. It might be best to use
just the
first 12 markers so you have a larger population to start with, but you
play with that.

Let us know if you come to any conclusions!

Ann Turner - GENEALOGY-DNA List Administrator
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