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From: "Malcolm Dodd" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Haplogroup I / Hg2 is not clinal
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:17:17 -0000
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Hi David and Alan
The Suebi tribe of Saxony Germany invaded northern Portugal. Our ancestors
were not the classic "Vikings" - they came along hundreds of years later.
The genetic fingerprint remains in Portugal. A number of indigenous
Portuguese have blue eyes and blond hair.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Faux [mailto:]
Sent: segunda-feira, 17 de Novembro de 2003 16:52
Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplogroup I / Hg2 is not clinal

Hello Alan:

Actually an inspection of the raw scores expressed as percentages, clearly
indicate a gradual decrease in frequency from the northeast of Europe to the
southwest of Europe - although it is not as dramatic as the west - east
cline for R1b (HG1). Concerning HG2, when you have 48% in Northern Swedish
and adjacent areas, and 14% in Southern Portugal and adjacent areas - to me
that is still a cline (but the numbers don't drop quite as precipitously as
R1b or R1a (HG3)). That's the beauty of having the raw data available, it
would suggest to me that the statement made by Rosser et al. was more
correct if used in the relative sense, and not entirely consistent with the
data if used in the absolute sense.

David F.

Alan Derriscott <> wrote:
Dear David Faux

Your input, Sun.16th Nov. re. Haplogroup I, I thought ment well, but was not
quite accurate in the use of CLINAL regarding the Z.Rosser et al, 2000,
scientific paper. The paragraph on page 10, just below Fig.4, states :-
Hg2 is the most ancestral lineage that we find in Europe ............
Consistent with this, Hg2 chromosomes are widely distributed across the
landscape and constitute the only high-frequency lineage that does not show
clinal variation (figs.3B and 4C)...................**

Best wishes,Alan.

Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA

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