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From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Y haplogroups in Turkey
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:18:10 -0600
I don't have the study to which you refer but I have almost 70 Clan
Donald samples of which about two thirds are R1b. I only have one 12 at
461 in R1b,R1a or I. I haven't done a detailed count but 10 appears to
be our mode with a number of 11s and 9s. For my group 461 appears to be
a volatile marker. When I start to get my 25 marker tests back, I will
see how it correlates with 438. I would like to see the Gusmao and
White papers if that is possible.
From: Dennis Garvey [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Y haplogroups in Turkey
Good call - I hadn't spotted that. It does look like there is a
difference of "1" on DYS461.
I have a paper by Gusmao et al (For Sci Int, 135, p150, 2003) of a study
that includes DYS461. Unfortunately those results just muddy the water
more. The haplotypes that have DYS438=12 (which should be haplogroup
seem to mostly have DYS461=12 - which is different than both the
Genetics and Cinnioglu's modal result for DYS461. Both Cinnioglu and
cite the paper by White (Genomics, 57, p433, 2003) for their methods
DYS461 - so the calibrations should agree. But it looks like they don't.
So I have to say: "I don't know".
Anybody else have any ideas on this apparent calibration difference?
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