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From: "A.Stapleton" <>
Subject: [DNA] Ireland, Scotland and Wales - Y-DNA Matches
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:17:48 -0800
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David: I seem to meet the criteria you requested. The test was by FTDNA. You
can view it at

I am interested in being updated when you have more to say on this.

Arthur Stapleton

Haplotype details:
DYS19: 14
DYS385a: 11
DYS385b: 14
DYS388: 12
DYS389i: 13
DYS389ii: 29
DYS390: 23
DYS391: 10
DYS392: 13
DYS393: 13
DYS425: 0
DYS426: 12
DYS437: 15
DYS438: 0
DYS439: 12
DYS447: 25
DYS448: 19
DYS449: 29
DYS454: 11
DYS455: 11
DYS458: 18
DYS459a: 9
DYS459b: 9
DYS460: 0
DYS461: 0
DYS462: 0
DYS464a: 15
DYS464b: 15
DYS464c: 17
DYS464d: 17
YCAII a: 0
YCAII b: 0
GATA A10: 0
GATA C4: 0
GATA H4: 0
GAAT1B07: 0

Haplogroup assignment: R1b

Haplogroup description:

Additional haplogroup info:

YAP marker: not tested

Number of participants: 3

Test Month: November
Test Year: 2003

Surname: Stapleton

Variant Surname 1: Stapelton
Variant Surname 2: Stapylton
Variant Surname 3: Stepleton
Variant Surname 4: Steepleton
Variant Surname 5: Stabalton
Variant Surname 6: Stebleton

Ancestors details
First name: George Lawson
Surname: Stapleton
Year born: 1760
Year died: 1833
Country: _____ Virginia - VA,USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Faux" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ireland, Scotland and Wales - Y-DNA Matches

Shane et al.: One thing that people must realize about the REO Database is
that the Haplogroup Database information is rolled into it. In other words,
the Icelandic matches in REO come almost exclusively from the Haplogroup
Database. It gets very confusing. The sample sizes are given in the REO
but not the Haplogroup (I have been requesting a rectification of this for
some time - but believe that it has something to do with the proprietary
nature of the latter database).

If people will be kind enough to submit number of matches from each country
in the Haplogroup Database if their R1b ancestors came from Ireland,
Scotland and particularly Wales then I hope to be able to give some further
information to help people use these valuable tools more effectively.
Please send your "numbers" (matches at exact, one, and two mutation levels -
Haplogroup Database only) to me on List or, if we start getting quite a few
submissions, off List. There is much to be learned. Thank you.

David F.

Shane <> wrote:

My ancestors in all likelihood didn't come from the countries you mentioned,
though I do seem to have quite a few matches in Ireland and Scotland. Don't
know if they would be useful to you. But I would be very interested in your

I have noticed something that has me concerned about the Haplogroup database
though. On a couple of my countries (Shetland and Iceland) I have the same
number of one-step matches as in my REO data. This leads me to believe these
Haplogroup results are skewed by surname results, just like the REO. I guess
these people all had their haplogroup confirmed as well. Doesn't make much
sense to me to have more than one person take this test when you all have
the same haplotype and surname. But that must have been the case. Either
that, or I've got some compelling ancestry evidence!

I wish there was a database that had a deep pool of test results that wasn't
skewed by surname projects or limited to only haplogroup confirmations.
Maybe then we would have solid evidence to determine ancestry patterns.


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