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From: "Ellen Levy" <>
Subject: Haplogroups J & E: Jews & Non-Jewish Europeans
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:24:12 -0700

> A lot of non-Jewish Europeans are finding they fall
> within male haplogroups J and, to a lesser extent, E.
> Many seem to be wondering about the possible
> connection of their families than to European Jews.
> Also, the J & E findings have importance to Melungeons
> and other Crypto-Jewish groups.
> > I have decided to break my posting here down into the
> various haplogroups found in the Jews and in some
> non-Jewish Europeans. These include E, J, Q, G, Rla,
> I and Rlb.
> Looking at Haplogroup J2, an excellent study is found
> in the 2004 paper: "Contrasting Patterns of Y
> Chromosome Variation in Ashkenazi Jewish and Host
> Non-Jewish European Populations." Please be aware of
> some possible bias and political concerns when reading
> this study. Certainly, though, some of the information
> provided therein is quite informative.
> The paper breaks down the haplogroups found in Jews
> into three groups: 1. Major founding lineages,
> probably derived from Middle Eastern origin (of
> course, their origin in Anatolia is not discussed.
> It's simply called "Near Eastern"); 2. Minor founding
> Lineages; 3. Lineages derived from "introgression"
> (yes, they use this word) by Europeans.
> The paper asserts certain lineages have been part of
> the Ashkenazi gene pool in ancient Israel. These
> major founder lineages are EM35 and J2-12f2a,
> noteworthy because they occur in high frequency in
> Jews but infrequently in Europe.
> Interestingly, J-M172 is also suggested to be part of
> the Israelite founding lineages. Note that J-M172 is
> the very same haplotype of J2 that is found within
> non-Jewish Europeans (6%) and is believed to have
> moved into Europe with the Anatolian Neolithic
> farmers.
> Thus, if your J-12f2a and non-Jewish, you might want
> to look a bit more closely at your genealogy, because
> these results suggest you may have Jewish descent
> (note that I don't know what percentage J2-12f2a is
> appearing in North Africa, so I can't comment on
> possible Moorish descent).
> Having J-M172 is a bit more complex. I suspect that
> distinctive Ashkenazi haplotypes may have developed in
> the 2000 years of the Diaspora, plus the separation
> from their Neolithic European cousins for at least
> 6000 years. If we could determine what these
> haplotypes are, we could look at someone's results at
> determine whether or not they have Ashkenazi J-M172
> ancestry versus Anatolian Neolithic ancestry.
> As for possible distinctions between Jewish and
> non-Jewish European Haplogroup E results: non-Jewish
> Europeans seem to be falling into the sub-clad E-M78
> (known as E3b1), while Ashkenazi seem to fall into
> E-M35. There is another clad of E, called E-M81,
> which is appearing in very, very small percentages of
> non-Jewish Europeans, but not in Ashkenazi.
> However, this isn't completely definitive on
> Haplogroup E. E-M78 also appears among Ashkenazim,
> only about 50% less than in Europeans.
> However, if your results are E-M35 and you are
> non-Jewish European, it seems like there is a good
> chance that your direct Y-ancestor may have been part
> of the Jewish Diaspora.
> It is interesting to note that haplogroup J (just J,
> not J2) and J1, which occurs with some frequency in
> the Middle East, seems to be completely absent from
> both Jewish and non-Jewish European results. For
> example, J1-M267 is found in about 9% of Turkish
> populations.
> Any suggestions from the List why this might be the
> case?
> Ellen Coffman ()

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