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From: "Nancy Custer" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] The Irish are not celts, say experts
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:26:44 -0700
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I do have access to the journal but have only scanned the article briefly at
this point--not even begun to read it. However, some will jump for joy.
There is a link to the data on the author's website

As for the Y chromosome parts of the study, a study this large will be
divided up among investigators. Hopefully the grad student working on the Y
chromosome project will be ready to publish soon:) Hope we get to see the
data for that too!


-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] The Irish are not celts, say experts

In a message dated 09/07/04 2:06:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> I don't suppose that map is available anyplace online that you don't
> have to purchase a subscription to see is it?

This appears to be a news release to go with the article published in the
American Journal of Human Genetics. They put free full text online after six

months. Some public libraries also have an electronic subscription (Extended

Acadamic ASAP). You can also Google for authors and title words from time to
to see if they have uploaded a copy to their personal website.


Am J Hum Genet. 2004 Oct;75(4):693-702. Epub 2004 Aug 12.

The longue duree of genetic ancestry: multiple genetic marker systems and
celtic origins on the atlantic facade of europe.

McEvoy B, Richards M, Forster P, Bradley DG.

Department of Genetics, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

Celtic languages are now spoken only on the Atlantic facade of Europe,
in Britain and Ireland, but were spoken more widely in western and central
Europe until the collapse of the Roman Empire in the first millennium a.d.
has been common to couple archaeological evidence for the expansion of Iron
elites in central Europe with the dispersal of these languages and of Celtic

ethnicity and to posit a central European "homeland" for the Celtic peoples.

More recently, however, archaeologists have questioned this "migrationist"
of Celtic ethnogenesis. The proposition of a central European ancestry
be testable by examining the distribution of genetic markers; however,
although Y-chromosome patterns in Atlantic Europe show little evidence of
European influence, there has hitherto been insufficient data to confirm
this by
use of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). Here, we present both new mtDNA data from
Ireland and a novel analysis of a greatly enlarged European mtDNA database.
show that mtDNA lineages, when analyzed in sufficiently large numbers,
patterns significantly similar to a large fraction of both Y-chromosome and
autosomal variation. These multiple genetic marker systems indicate a shared

ancestry throughout the Atlantic zone, from northern Iberia to western
Scandinavia, that dates back to the end of the last Ice Age.


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