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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Secrets of the Dead - 2500 year old Sarmatian mtDNA match with living nine year old Kazakh girl.
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:23:07 -0600
Actually, the Kazaks with the blondish girl were found in the western most
Mongolia near the Chinese border according to the show's narrative.
Somewhere south of Olgiy which I can see in my National Geographic Atlas.
Even in the hay day of Soviet power they did not incorporate Mongolia
officially into their Union. It remained a nominally "sovereign" nation
ruled by a puppet government of the Soviets and is now of course a
completely sovereign state. Hope to get there someday.
The Amazon warrior mummies on the other hand were found in the heart of the
southern Russian steppes much further to the southwest. If you go south
from Olgiy into China's Sinkiang Province, a good number of Caucasian bodies
have been dug up with ages in excess of 2000 years. And Tokharian
Indo-European language branch was spoken there long ago before Turkic tribes
later took over.
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From: "Glen Todd" <>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: [DNA] Secrets of the Dead - 2500 year old Sarmatian mtDNA match
with living nine year old Kazakh girl.
> I didn't get to watch the actual program; I was going by the web pages
> I agree that simple appearance is not reliable as an indicator (although
> can certainly be significant), but if it's an unusual one for the area
> I don't know enough about that part of Russia to know), it might well be
> enough of a flag to say; "Hey, there's something here worth looking at."
> I heartily agree with your evaluation of Stormfront's 'interpretation'.
> If it weren't for the unfortunate fact that some people take them
> they'd be strictly comic relief, they're so far out.
> I would certainly hope that they had more of a sampling program than just
> Meiramgul and her mother, but given the nature of television reporting I
> would hesitate to speculate without better information as to whether the
> deficiency was in the sampling program design or in the reporting. I
> would tend to guess that it's the latter, since the odds of getting an
> match on the first try wouldn't be particularly good, and I would think
> most scientists would know this.
>> Unfortunately, the program did state that they were looking for blond
>> girls. The field crew had heard stories of blond-haired girls and
>> went looking for them in the western portion of Mongolia.
>> Hopefully, they did sample a large number of girls and women.
>> But, it was -only- clearly the case that young Meiramgul and
>> her mother were sampled (as described in the program).
>> I've tried Googling the girl's name in search of any scientific
>> reports regarding her genetic heritage. I found a PBS-generated
>> lesson plan outline for elementary or high school discussion. I
>> also found a white racist webpage with their 'unique' and twisted
>> take on the meaning of the results (I didn't stop to read any of
>> it - once I noticed "StormFront" I realized where I'd arrived).
>> Much of what I found were reports in German and the translation
>> utility offered by Google gets too many things mangled to trust
>> the outcome of a translation.
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