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From: "Michael Crocker" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b with DYS393 = 12
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:16:31 -0400
References: <000c01c5dc3f$2be3ffe0$71509045@Ken1>


>It's rare because the bulk of R1b accidently descends from a founder with
>13 at DYS393 and the mutation rate for that marker is low enough that not
>much of a DYS393 = 12 population has built up, and also another prolific
>founder with DYS393 = 12 did not come to exist in the R1b population.

R1b-M269/Taq49a,f ht35 has a strong modal of 12 at DYS393. And I seem to recall ht35 has been said, rightly or wrongly, to be the older form of R1b comapred to the ht15 associated with Iberia. The 9* marker haplotypes are in Cinnioglu 2004.

*actually 10 but 1 is not familiar



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