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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [GENEALOGY-DNA] [DNA] The Mystery of China's Celtic Mummies
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:03:38 -0600
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Blink your eyes or give them an inch and the Celts will take genetic
genealogy over in a coup d'etat

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Mayka" <>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [GENEALOGY-DNA] [DNA] The Mystery of China's Celtic Mummies


>> From: Dale E. Reddick [mailto:]
>> Or, over-interpreted things or perhaps
>> has some sort of agenda.
>
> The reporter's heavy Celtocentric and Eurocentric agenda is obvious from
> the
> fact that he vigorously disagrees with the very experts he cites. For
> example, he cites this expert with a quite reasonable hypothesis:
> ---
> In her book The Mummies of Urumchi, the textile expert Elizabeth Wayland
> Barber examines the tartan-style cloth, and reckons it can be traced back
> to
> Anatolia and the Caucasus, the steppe area north of the Black Sea. Her
> theory is that this group divided, starting in the Caucasus and then
> splitting, one group going west and another east.
> ---
>
> This is, in its essentials, the most common theory of yDNA haplogroup R,
> and
> of Proto-Indo-European, and of horseback/chariot technology, etc. A
> commonly referenced haplogroup map illustrates that even today, plenty of
> Uyghurs in Central Asia are R1b, and yet hopefully no one is so foolish as
> to label them Celts:
>
> http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf
>
> But the reporter vigorously disagrees and labels the mummies not just
> European--which is already an arrogant Eurocentrism--but Celtic, which is
> simply nonsensical. The reporter apparently believes that anyone with
> pale
> skin and red hair must be Celtic. If he had ever searched Google Images
> for
> 'ossetian', he would have found plenty of pale-skinned, red-haired men and
> women--Caucasians in the literal sense, because they are from the northern
> Caucasus!
>
> If someone is going to label every R1b a Celt, we might just as well label
> every R1a a Slav, and say that the Slavs invaded India, a 2000-year-old
> Slavic mummy was found in Mongolia, etc. This is of course nonsense.
>
> Actually, red and blond hair on ancient mummies should not be
> over-interpreted anyway. At least one source claims that eumelanin
> (brown-black pigment) decomposes in corpses more quickly over the
> centuries
> than pheomelanin (yellow-red pigment), and hence mummies may often appear
> pale-skinned and blond or red-haired simply because the eumelanin has
> decomposed and the remaining pheomelanin can then be seen.
>
>
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