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From: "Dora Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Roman genetic footprints
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:55:19 -0500
References: <BAY105-F369914A2BE5109B7202A35CC200@phx.gbl>

Sarmatian calvary?

Whoops! I never thought of it!

That is true. Large numbers of Germanic peoples fought for the Romans, and
I think they were actually particularly likely to be rewarded with land in
Gaul and in Britain.

We now know why there could be alot of German haplogroups in central France.

Dora Smith
Austin, TX

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Bird" <>
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: [DNA] Roman genetic footprints

>> >> > Although the Romans ruled from AD 43 until 410, they left a
>> >> > tiny genetic footprint. For the first 200 years occupying
>> >> > forces were forbidden from marrying locally.
>> >
> Sorry, but what is the factual basis for this statement? (I think that
> you
> must be quoting Sykes?) There were 5,500 Sarmatian cavalry ALONE, and
> that
> was only ONE out of hundreds of alia and cohors stationed to the British
> Isles over 300 years' time. Only 500 Sarmatians have been accounted for,
> leaving 5,000 cavalry unaccounted. See for detailed
> lists of military units found in Britain during the Roman period. (No
> individual names, sorry!)
> Among Thracian and Dacian units alone, there were at least 20 "cohors" of
> (nominally) 1,000 men each (really more like 800 typically). All would
> have
> been E3b, since all of these units were recruited from the Balkans and the
> Carpathians near and south of the lower Danube. Then there were all the
> Pannonian and Spanish units, and of course there were just plain Roman
> Legionnaires. They lived, died and retired there for three centuries.
> There are military diplomata from the first and second centuries that
> detail
> the retirements of dozens of units (for example the Malpas diploma found
> in
> the British Museum, which lists 14 seperate units retiring simultaneously.
> They AND their families and descendants were granted citizenship and land
> upon retirement. Many of the men had "local" wives. Even if their wives
> were from their own lands of origin, they would have remained and raised
> their families in Britain. Their descendants would have lived on in
> Britain
> too. See the grave marker of Longinus Sdapeze (stating that "his heirs
> had
> this done") now in the Colchester Museum. Clearly, he had descendants.
> There is ample archaelogical evidence to show that the Roman British lived
> alongside the Anglo-Saxons in some parts of Britain (for example, Saffron
> Walden, Essex) until the 7th century, well after the A-S invasion. The
> Roman villas were INTACT at this late date. So they weren't necessarily
> killed or driven out by the invaders. Sometimes, they just blended in.
>> >> Uh, is this G? Professor Sykes is awarding haplogroup G to the
>> >> Romans?
> Probably the Sarmatians, who were haplogroup G (they were from the region
> corresponding to the modern Republic of Georgia).
> Steve
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