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From: William L Harvey <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] E3b and redheads
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:03:59 -0700
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With all due respect we seem to be losing sight of the autosomal mixing
effect which would have a much greater influence on red-headed whatevers
than an ancient Y haplogroup SNP carry over to present time - or am I
missing your point here?


Steven Bird wrote:

> Steve
>>So the next time you have a red-headed E3b in your surname project, you
>>might surmise their ancestors were from Northern Africa. Our Stephens
>>project has 7 E3b's; and, 6 of them with matches.
> Not from North Africa, at least not recently. Red-headed and blond
> Thracians were found in the Balkans at least since the 7th millenium B.C.
> (Webber, "The Thracians.") They were descended from the E3b*
> (undifferientieated M35) cluster, but the Balkan alpha cluster (M78 plus
> V13) appears to represent a distinct branch of E3b. According to Cruciani
> the V13 mutation is found ONLY in the Balkans (with the exception of two
> singletons that were found in the gamma cluster outside of the Balkans.)
> Berbers are from the Beta cluster of E3b. They are indeed found primarily
> in Northern Africa, according to Cruciani et al, 2004 and 2006. But they
> are not alpha cluster red-heads.
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