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From: "Dora Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celts descended from Spanish fishermen, study finds
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:54:27 -0500
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I think probably they back migrated. Grin.

E3b is a haplogroup that rather got around the Mediterranean, and travelled
with groups that migrated outward from that area, like Romans and Jews.

Nothing confined them to the NORTHERN Mediterrnean coast, and in ancient
times no group was ever effectively confined to the norhtern coast for long.

You know that northern Africa was a busy, well populated part of the Roman
Empire, right? Several very important saints were born there, and I'm not
just talking about Egypt.

It's amazing if no Alan and Vandal genes in the area - because they were

Dora Smith
Austin, TX

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From: "Lowe DNA" <>
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celts descended from Spanish fishermen, study finds

> So the next time you have a red-headed E3b in your surname project, you
> might surmise their ancestors were from Northern Africa. Our Stephens
> project has 7 E3b's; and, 6 of them with matches.
> Is there a HAP-E3b group at FTDNA or any testing company. ?
> Genetic evidence from Wikipedia...
> While population genetics is a young science still full of controversy, in
> general the genetic evidence appears to indicate that most northwest
> Africans (whether they consider themselves Berber or Arab) are
> predominantly
> of Berber origin, and that populations ancestral to the Berbers have been
> in
> the area since the Upper Paleolithic era. The genetically predominant
> ancestors of the Berbers appear to have come from East Africa, the Middle
> East, or both - but the details of this remain unclear. However,
> significant
> proportions of both the Berber and Arabized Berber gene pools derive from
> more recent migration of various Italic, Semitic, Germanic, and
> sub-Saharan
> African peoples, all of whom have left their genetic footprints in the
> region.
> The Y chromosome is passed exclusively through the paternal line.
> According
> to Bosch et al. 2001, "the historical origins of the NW African
> Y-chromosome
> pool may be summarized as follows: 75% NW African Upper Paleolithic (H35,
> H36, and H38), 13% Neolithic (H58 and H71), 4% historic European gene flow
> (group IX, H50, H52), and 8% recent sub-Saharan African (H22 and H28)".
> They
> identify the "75% NW African Upper Paleolithic" component as "an Upper
> Paleolithic colonization that probably had its origin in Eastern Africa."
> The North-west African population's 75% Y chromosome genetic contribution
> from East Africa contrasted with a 78% contribution to the Iberian
> population from western Asia, suggests that the northern rim of the
> Mediterranean with the Strait of Gibraltar acted as a strong, albeit
> incomplete, barrier (Bosch et al, 2001).
> The interpretation of the second most frequent "Neolithic" haplotype is
> debated: Arredi et al. 2004, like Semino et al. 2000 and Bosch et al.
> 2001,
> argue that the H71 haplogroup and North African Y-chromosomal diversity
> indicate a Neolithic-era "demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic-speaking
> pastoralists from the Middle East", while Nebel et al. 2002 argue that H71
> rather reflects "recent gene flow caused by the migration of Arabian
> tribes
> in the first millennium of the Common Era." Bosch et al. also find little
> genetic distinction between Arabic and Berber-speaking populations in
> North
> Africa, which they take to support the interpretation of the Arabization
> and
> Islamization of northwestern Africa, starting during the 7th century A.D.,
> as cultural phenomena without extensive genetic replacement. Cruciani et
> al.
> 2004 note that the E-M81 haplogroup on the Y-chromosome correlates closely
> with Berber populations.

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