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From: "Dora Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ellen's Paper
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:56:44 -0600
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Alan, are you trying to say that the potato gave people in Ireland a
selective advantage?

But it wouldn't have much to do with the distribution in parts of Europe
that did not adopt the potato at that time.

What is more, you'd have to demonstrate that particular haplogroups in
Ireland were more likely to adopt the potato than others and that this
influenced the distribution of haplogroups in Ireland today.

Dora Smith
Austin, TX

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan R" <>
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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:21 AM
Subject: [DNA] Ellen's Paper

> The idea of selection creating the modern haplotype
> distribution is interesting possible alternative or at
> least a factor. If this selection is based on diet,
> climate etc, you cannot simply look at a map and see
> the common thread in areas with the same predominant
> haplotypes. Diet is very complex because each area
> passed through several dietary phases over the last
> 10,000 years and the timing and details vary.
> Looking at Atlantic R1b distribution, it is true that
> several of these areas have vaguely common dietary
> histories. All remained hunter gatherers for a little
> longer than most and they may have been more of an
> emphasis on marine and riverine sources than
> elsewhere. Farming came a little late to these areas.
> In later prehistoric times it is also clear that
> these Atlantic areas were mostly pastoral. Also,
> certainly the Atlantic areas of the British Isles
> became very much a dairy economy (think
> Heidi)throughout most of historical times and did not
> develop the peasant bread economy of much of Europe.
> Finally, it is well known that marginal areas like
> western Ireland and highland Scotland then adopted a
> potato and milk diet which actually, prior to the
> famine, provided better nutrition than was normal (the
> Irish are thought to have been the tallest in Europe
> in the Georgian era). The long-term common theme here
> is a lack of reliance on cereals. This set at least
> much of the Atlantic area apart from much of the rest
> of Europe.
> You wonder if hardship was a selective factor-western
> Ireland, the Scottish highlands and the Basques
> country in the Pyrenees were poor areas with endemic
> small scale clan violence and all three areas were
> associated with tough clannish ultra-hardy types!

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