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From: "Aaron Hill" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ellen's paper
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:03:40 +0000
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Not in this case, it means 'ancient DNA'. Autosomal DNA is still not really
used in genealogy although the Sorenson folks (and I am sure others) are
working on it.


From: "Roberta J. Estes" <>
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Subject: Re: [DNA] Ellen's paper
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:19:57 -0500

aDNA is short for autosomal DNA. Autosomal DNA is the rest of the DNA,
meaning not mtdna and not yline dna, and both parents contribute the to the
aDNA of an individual, therefore it is much less useful for genealogy,
although it is used extensively for paternity and siblingship testing.

Roberta Estes

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Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: [DNA] Ellen's paper

Hi Ellen,

What in the world is aDNA please? This is the first time I have ever heard
of it. mtDNA mother orientated, YDNA father orientated...but aDNA?



Warren C. O. Power in Murtoa 3390, Australia (ex Kiwi).
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From: "ellen Levy" <>
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ellen's paper

> Alan:
> It appears we agree on a number of issues of potential
> dispute. What I think needs to emphasized is that
> very diverse Mesolithic economies in the British Isles
> transition into a remarkably uniform Neolithic culture
> by approx. 5000 BP. Whether this was caused by a
> cultural diffusion process or by actual settlement in
> the region by Neolithic farmers is presently an
> answered question. The swiftness and homogeneity of
> the transition suggests to me the possibility of
> invasive newcomers, but that is of course my own
> personal opinion.
> The focus of my paper was ancient mtDNA lineages, as
> there is simply no aDNA evidence on Y haplogroups,
> leaving everything to speculation and circumstantial
> evidence. It creates an unfortunate and tremendous
> gap in the genetic prehistoric picture. I think an
> important acknowledgment, one currently supported by
> the aDNA mtDNA data, is that the high frequency of R1b
> currently found along the Atlantic fringe could be the
> result of either Neolithic or post-Neolithic movement
> of peoples and is not necessarily reflective of the
> survival of an indigenous Mesolithic lineage.
> To address one suggestion made earlier that the aDNA
> mtDNA lineages may represent isolated and odd vestiges
> of Neolithic lines that simply became swamped by the
> Mesolithic inhabitants of Europe, I think that is
> essentially the argument that Haak makes in his paper
> and that I attempt to address (and essentially reject)
> in my own paper. There is, for example, no evidence
> that N1a represents a Neolithic as opposed to an
> earlier Paleolithic lineage. The evidence from the
> Central Asia aDNA study suggests N1a was indeed
> widespread in both Europe and Central ASia, but has
> become much more limited in the post-Neolithic time
> period.
> Haplogroup J is also a regarded as a Neolithic
> lineage. It is is neither unusual nor was it swamped
> by earlier genetic inhabitants of Europe. However,
> its rather recent disappearance among groups like the
> Basque, along with the sudden rise of groups like V
> during the historic period, warrants further
> investigation.
> The picture presented in the paper hopefully motivates
> others to examine why certain haplogroups appear to
> have nearly disappeared from the Europe scene in only
> the last few thousand years, while others have clearly
> thrived and expanded in distribution. I think the
> evidence as presented supports the contention that
> these were not odd, limited Neolithic lines that
> simply became extinct as they became swamped by
> Mesolithic peoples, but rather some of these lines may
> represent Paleolithic mtDNA that has become extinct or
> Neolithic lineages that have become much more recently
> limited in frequency and distribution. I suggest
> possible mechanisms for this change that operate on a
> genetic level, but am receptive to hearing other
> suggestions.
> Ellen Coffman
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