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From: Daniel Jenkins <>
Subject: [DNA] FW: R1a in Mongolia
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:43:54 +0000


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> > Subject: RE: [DNA] R1a in Mongolia
> > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:13:59 +0000
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> >
> > I am probably way off on this , but I feel that looking at a bigger picture , rather than the diversity of R1a in Southern Asia , looking at the diversity in toto , in the area of Ukraine , through Germany , Western Europe, Scandinavia, British Isles , and Normandy, it would seem to make more sense that R1a flowed into Southern Asia from a more northern location . I am not talking about so called invasions. Thoughts welcomed.
> >
> > Dan Jenkins R1a1* known origins , Kent, England
> >
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> > > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:54:29 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [DNA] R1a in Mongolia
> > >
> > > Doug,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the correction. India is thought to be about 20% R1a, not
> > > 37%.
> > > http://www-03.ibm.com/industries/healthcare/genographic/doc/content/landing/
> > > 1441348132.html
> > >
> > > But that does not make R1a a "little" Haplotype.
> > >
> > > Consideration that R1a is about 20% in India and about 67% in Poland and
> > > Russia (including Ukraine?), at 40-50% in the Balkans, 32% in the Czech
> > > Republic, and at 15-25% in other Eastern European counties (Wikipedia,
> > > World Book of Facts, etc.) argue that it is not to be lightly dismissed as
> > > a "little" Haplogroup, monolithic, with little to learn from its study.
> > >
> > > Incidentally Oppenheimer et al feel R1a may have arisen more in South Asia
> > > than Central Asia. "Stephen Oppenheimer, who reports upon the results of
> > > the Human Genome Diversity Project in his book "The Real Eve: Modern Man's
> > > Journey out of Africa", comments that, "For me and for Toomas Kivisild,
> > > South Asia is logically the ultimate origin of M17 and his ancestors; and
> > > sure enough we find highest rates and greatest diversity of the M17 line in
> > > Pakistan, India, and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is
> > > not only more diverse in South Asia than in Central Asia but diversity
> > > characterizes its presence in isolated tribal groups in the south, thus
> > > undermining any theory of M17 as a marker of a 'male Aryan Invasion of
> > > India'" (p. 152)."
> > >
> > > In any case," little" R1a may reveal its secrets in the fullness of time
> > > (and of funding).
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Doug McDonald <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Date: 12/13/2006 2:50:27 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [DNA] R1a in Mongolia
> > > >
> > > > Eric Olson wrote:
> > > > > Haplogroup R1a is hardly a "little" Haplogroup. In fact it can be
> > > > > projected to have a greater presence in the world than R1b.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Consider Poland, Ukraine and India, with a combined population of about
> > > 1
> > > > > billion, or nearly 17% of the world's population. Here R1a is
> > > projected to
> > > > > be about 67% of the male population, or roughly 670 million
> > > individuals.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Where do you get those numbers? R1a is nowhere near 67% in
> > > > India, though it is indeed the largest haplogroup among the
> > > > non-tribal people.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that the third most populous country, the US, has
> > > > R1b dominant over R1a. Indonesia has zip of either. Brazil
> > > > probably is even more R1b dominant than the US, with of
> > > > course lots more Q (though Q is by now probably 4 percent or
> > > > so in the US) than here. Bangladesh is probably low in R1a
> > > > and even lower in R1b. Then we hit Pakistan, the very center
> > > > of the R1a world at present. You really need to add up
> > > > numbers carefully.
> > > >
> > > > Doug McDonald
> > > >
> > > >
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