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From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] TRMCA for R1b1
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:30:58 -0500
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Mike Maddi had a reply to this Sicilian aspect of things, which he
asked me to forward to the list.


On Dec 1, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Dienekes Pontikos wrote:

> Well, in Sicily its average variance is 0.33, roughly the same as it
> is among Anatolian Turks.

> Mike's reply:
>
> If the Neolithic arrival of R1b in Europe is correct (or at
> least more likely than its presence in Europe during LGM),
> then the Balkans and Sicily would be the first places it
> would have arrived, just as in the cases of J2 and E1b1b. So
> the fact that the average variance of R-M269 in Sicily is
> about the same as that of Anatolian Turks can be taken as an
> indication that the advocates of a Neolithic arrival have it
> right.
>
> Another aspect of R1b in Sicily and Italy in general is the
> high levels of R1b which is P312- compared to northern and
> western Europe. This is what used to be referred to as ht35,
> as in the Cinioglu study. Vince Vizachero can attest to
> this, since he has been studying it closely. Of course, this
> is the older, eastern form of R-M269. So if R-M269 is older
> in the west, why is R-M269 (x P312) not found much there?
>
> Mike Maddi



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