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From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] TRMCA for R1b1
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:28:14 -0500
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The recent TMRCA for R1b1b2 means you can put a pin on a map and say
that all R1b1b2 alive today descend from man living at the point on
the ground corresponding to that pin.

The TMRCA for R1b1b2 is securely in the Neolithic era. If you want to
argue that it is just as likely that R1b1b2 flowed back into the Near
East from Sicily during the Neolithic as it is to have flowed into
Europe from the Near East, then make your case. I suspect it will be
entertaining.

And even if neither Sicily nor the Asia Minor can be ruled out as the
source of R1b1b2, that is no proof that the two possibilities are
equally probable.

VV


On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Dienekes Pontikos wrote:

> If the variance of R-M269 in Sicily and the Balkans (Bosch: 0.3 in 9
> of
> the 10 markers used by Cinnioglu) is roughly the same as among
> Anatolian Turks, then there is no reason to think that R-M269 came
> from Asia Minor to Europe and not vice versa.


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