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From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] TRMCA for R1b1
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:11:17 -0500
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The more details we try to hang on the frame, the more we risk
torturing our data into falsely confessing.

But there are a couple peculiarities in the R1b1b2 record that lead
some people to suspect multiple vectors of entry: one along a
southern Mediterranean route and one more northern river-valley based


On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Beth Long wrote:

> I don't see any reason to assume that R1b arrived in Europe via
> southern route. Are there any research papers proposing this? As far
> as I know, there is no proposed "maritime connection" as there is
> thought to be with J2 and E1b.
> What is the reasoning behind the assumption that R1b did not spread
> from the Baltic region south and west (aside from the fact that so
> few people in Poland, Slovakia, and the Ukraine have been tested).
> Mike, are you proposing that R1b spread from the Black Sea via a
> Mediterranean route to the Balkans and Italy, and thence to the
> north and west?
> Beth Long
>> Mike's reply:
>> If the Neolithic arrival of R1b in Europe is correct (or at
>> least more likely than its presence in Europe during LGM),
>> then the Balkans and Sicily would be the first places it
>> would have arrived, just as in the cases of J2 and E1b1b.
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