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From: Gary Felix <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R-U152 and R-L21 on the European Continent
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:04:58 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <06F79C98-398C-4200-8D9C-5BA976ABD233@vizachero.com>


What is clear from the archeological record is that the ancient sought our doggerland following the Mammoth steppe before and after the ice.

Initially R was following the steppe west from Central Asia.

Gary
Mexico DNA Project Admin.


--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Vincent Vizachero <> wrote:

From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R-U152 and R-L21 on the European Continent
To:
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 3:55 PM

Views change, and you can see a distinct change in views on this 
question in the literature.  The recent paper by  Jacques Chiaroni, 
Peter A. Underhill, and Luca L. Cavalli-Sforza, for example, actually 
holds out R in western Europe as an example of a "migration that can 
reach highest values up to 100%, at or before barriers most distant 
from their likely place of origin."  The barrier in this case, of 
course, is the Atlantic Ocean.  The origin, according to the paper by 
Barbara Arredi, Estalla Poloni, and  Chris-Tyler Smith, is West Asia.

This shift in views is in contradiction to the ancient work by Semino 
and others, but if those six geneticists can agree on something (in 
this case, an expansion of R from the Near East into Europe), I guess 
that is worth pointing out too.

VV




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