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From: "Tim Janzen" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] 2010 studies shed light on R-M269's relatively recenteast towest migration
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:17:30 -0800
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Dear Mike,
This is a nice summary. We have hashed this topic out a lot over
the past several years on this list. You and I discussed the TMRCAs for the
R1b subclades on a different list recently and I thought it might be nice to
post a summary of that information on this list as well. Below are some
fresh calculations I did last month for the approximate ages of the major
SNPS downstream from M269. These are the best estimates I can give at this
time using a 30 year generation interval and a combination of YHRD and John
Chandler's mutation rates:

M269: 6500-8500
L23: 6500-8000
L51: 5500-7000
L11: 5000-6500
U106: 4000-5500
U198: 4000-5500
L1: 1300-2300
L48: 2500-4000
L257: 1200-1800
P312: 4000-5500
M153: 1300-1500
M167: 2600-3500
U152: 3500-5000
L2: 3500-4500
L20: 3000-4000
L4: 800-1100
L165: 2000-3200
L21: 3500-5500
L159.2: 1100-1500
M222: 1500-2200
L226: 1000-1250
L193: 800-1200

Tim Janzen

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Mike W
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:50 AM
Subject: [DNA] 2010 studies shed light on R-M269's relatively recent east
towest migration

2010 has been a big year for R-M269 (R1b1b2) studies. The Balaresque
and Myres studies have been examined and critiqued, but let's step
back and consider the significance of these two studies. The following
excerpts are from the opening statements of the abstracts.

Much of the above is actually not "new news." Amateur geneticists,
through projects like the "R-ht35 (M269+ P312- U106-) DNA Project" had
identified the probability of R-M269's true origin and direction of
expansion prior to the studies. For fear of omitting names, I won't
list them, but congratulations and great work!

Regards, Mike

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