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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Missed Opportunity
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:47:06 -0700
References: <00b601cb80f5$83efba20$384f2dae@Ken1><00f501cb8118$40cf3270$c26d9750$@org>

A good number of my European F haplotype collection have taken the P96 test
for F3 and all found derived. I assume some lab has tested at least one G
haplotype to make sure it is ancestral for P96, otherwise they would not
have called this haplogroup F3.

P96 is probably a good candidate for one of the earlier tests which should
be done to the two F dna samples found.

If any of this crucial ydna is left for testing (and I have sent an email
inquiry to the chief author to find out), there would be a logical way to
proceed it would seem in adding more downstream tests, and what tests would
be done might be influenced by who is willing to subsidize the endeavor. So
now it is just a matter of waiting to hear what the author says about this
all? Given what tests people in the hobby community have paid good money to
do, I have no doubt funding would come forth for sensible further downstream
testing of these ancient Central European dna samples.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Mayka" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Missed Opportunity

> My quick use of the Generations5 spreadsheet suggests that the F* now in
> Europe is closer to G than to IJK. And the authors' finding of F* next to
> G
> mildly supports the probability that this ancient F*, too, is in reality a
> pre-G.
> Thus, perhaps a higher priority is to:
> 1) Test our current European F* against the long list of SNPs currently
> believed to define G. Is it possible that European F* might test positive
> for one of them?
> 2) Similarly, test the ancient F* against that long list of G-defining
> SNPs.
>> From: [mailto:genealogy-dna-
>> ] On Behalf Of Ken Nordtvedt
>> As someone has already pointed out, the authors of this paper choose not
> to test for
>> any of the snps now available to test for IJ haplogroup. So these
> individuals could
>> very well have been from this haplogroup downstream of F.
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