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From: Mike W <>
Subject: [DNA] Fwd: Fwd: First Neolithic Y-DNA published
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:46:47 -0600
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Elizabeth,

I'm not an R-U106 expert. That was just a sample chart to help
demonstrate a general point on east to west migration for R-M269.

The chart I referred to below shows the oldest coalescence times for
R-U106 as in the Poland and Baltic states region and I think Vince
based it on Myres' Table S2. As you can see, one can criticize the
Myres data as being too limited, at least in spots, as few U106 were
found in Ireland. Perhaps one of the R-U106(S21) project
administrators or analysts will add their commentary as they'd have a
better view to get specific on R-U106 in Ireland and England.

Coincidentally on another forum just this last week, an R-U106 project
administrator noted that if you breakdown Europe in to large segments,
the modal for DYS390 is 23 everywhere but Northeast Europe (i.e. the
Baltic area). I get the same result when I download the R-U106 based
haplogroup projects' haplotypes. In NE Europe, the 24 is the modal.
The allele 24 is also the mode for R-U106 peer clade R-P312 and R-M269
as a whole.

One STR is not a good basis for an hypothesis, but it is another item
to consider.

Regards, Mike

----- Elizabeth wrote:
I hadn't seen these maps before. What I found interesting is that for
the R-U106 map, its presence in Ireland appears to be considerably
older than England. Could the sampling be responsible for that? As
it is, it would suggest an arrival by sea for this subclade -
certainly not across England.

---- Mike originally pointed out:
By the way, though my point is related generally to R-M269's recent,
east to west expansion, I think Vince Vizachero's graphic on R-U106
using the Myres data is an interesting one for those who are most
interested in R-U106.  I point this out so you can see I wasn't cherry
picking country data.  Red is older, blue is younger.  -
http://tiny.cc/t58c7   ...


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