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From: "Bernard SECHER" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b and R1a fate
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:43:58 +0100
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The maps are from the book of David Anthony: "The horse, the wheel and the

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From: "Vincent Vizachero" <>
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b and R1a fate

> The map linked below (not created by Secher, as far as I can tell, but
> rather copied from an unnamed source) purports to show a Yamnaya
> migration into Europe.
> I don't dispute that these migrations happened, but I've yet to see a
> compelling case for concluding that the Yamnaya themselves were (in
> part or in whole) R1b1b2 much less concluding that they were
> responsible for spreading R1b1b2 into and across Europe. If someone
> has made such a case in French, I'd appreciate having it called to my
> attention.
> The most complete treatment I've seen associating Yamnaya with R1b1b2
> is that made by Jean Manco
> (
> ) and even then she clearly qualifies the connection as being tenuous
> at best ("hazard a guess" is the language she uses).
> VV
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 12:23 PM, vernade didier wrote:
>> The key starting point is the Yamnaya culture, often cited as
>> typically IE. The first map is showing the arrival of R1b in the
>> Balkans : .
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