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From: "Stewy" <>
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of the term "Scot-Irish"
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:48:58 +0900
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Thick AND tight-fisted

Sam Sloan <> wrote in message
> What is the meaning of the term "Scot-Irish"
> I have heard the term Scot-Irish all my life, especially since I am
> one of them. What does that mean? Does it refer to Scots who went to
> Ireland because otherwise they were being burned at the stake by
> Presbyterians? Or, does it refer to Scots who were sent to Ireland to
> bring the new Protestant religion there?
> The book "Descendants of Hugh Thomson" by Don Thomson briefly
> describes a Thomson ancestor of mine (first name not provided) who was
> burned at the stake in Scotland by Presbyterians, and two other
> Thomsons who were tied to poles in the Irish Sea and then left to
> drown when the high tide came in.
> This is what the chess politics people have been trying to do to me
> for the longest time.
> Does this explain why some went to Ireland and then came back to
> Scotland later on, frequently changing their names back and forth
> between Thomson and Thompson, thereby making it difficult for us to
> find them?
> I have been able to trace almost all of my Scot ancestors back to at
> least 1720. However, I have found no records for any of my ancestors
> during the time that they were in Ireland.
> At least two books address the families who went to Northern Ireland
> in the 1600's. One is by John Stevenson and the other is by T.
> McCavery re. Newtown: A History of Newtownards, Belfast, White Row
> Press (1994).
> When I was growing up, I was always told that my mother's ancestry was
> half Scot from her mother and half Swedish from her father. Ireland
> was never mentioned.
> However, now that I have been researching this question, I have found
> that while my mother's mother's father's side, the Graham side, may
> have originally been from Scotland, they were living in Ireland before
> coming to America. No trace or records of them in Ireland has been
> found.
> Similarly, some of my mother's mother's mother's side, the Thomson
> side, which did come directly from Stranraer, Scotland, a port city
> only 20 miles across the Irish Sea from Ireland, came to Scotland from
> Ireland. I have found no trace of them in Ireland, either.
> My father, Leroy Sloan, was Irish. His grandfather came over from
> Northern Ireland in the 1850s-1860s, but I have found no record of him
> in Ireland either.
> What is the cause of this, and what is the solution? Did the Irish
> keep no record of the Scottish interlopers? Or, did they simply keep
> no records at all?
> Sam Sloan

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