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From: "Allan Connochie" <>
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of the term "Scot-Irish"
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:11:06 -0000
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"Jim Pettit" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Sean MacLochlainn wrote:
> >
> > Antrim and Down had a large Presbyterian population because they had
> > recently been planted themselves.
>
> If I understand you right, you define any group of immigrants whether
> sponsored by an outside agency, attracted by a local landowner, or
> arriving spontaneously as being planted. Given that, because of Ulster's
> bogs and hills, the main exchange of people in Ulster was by sea between
> Ulster and Scotland until the 18th century rather than Ulster and the
> other Irish provinces, that makes all of Ulster's people planted.
>
> The situation is further complicated by the fact that the west coast of
> Scotland was settled by an Irish tribe, the Scotti, from Antrim and that
> Antrim, for a portion of its history formed part of the Kingdom of the
> Isles so that Ulster is probably as much Scottish as Irish. The Gaelic
> of the upper classes was almost identical until recently.

Plus of course there are many in Ulster who are not of the Presbyterian
persuasion and are descended from Scots who had arrived earlier [eg the
MacDonells].


cheers


Allan







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