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From: yaffaDina <>
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of the term "Scot-Irish"
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:51:55 -0500
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> >(Dennis Ahern)
> >Date: 3/10/2003 5:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <email@example.com>
> >Mike Day () wrote:
> >: "Sean MacLochlainn" <> wrote in message
> >: news:firstname.lastname@example.org...
> >: > Peter Norman wrote:
> >: >
> >: > > And Ulster is still effectively ruled by those of Scots-Irish descent
> >: > > i.e. the Presbyterian majority of the current population.
> >: >
> >: > I think you had better check your facts. Presbyterians are a minority.
> >: >
> >: And not all of Ulster either. Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are not part of
> >: the political entity of Northern Ireland.
> >The political entity of Northern Ireland is comprised of only six of the
> >nine counties of the province of Ulster. At the time of partition in
> >1922, the counties of Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan were deemed to be too
> >heavily populated with Catholics and were "given" to the Irish Free State
> >in order to maintain a numerical majority of Protestants.
> >See http://www.cultureireland.com/maps/ for map of the provinces.
> >As for the original question of the meaning of the term "Scots-Irish" or
> >"Scotch-Irish", this appelation was adopted in the U.S. in the mid-19th
> >century by the descendants of 17th- and 18th-century Irish immigrants who
> >wanted to disassociate themselves from the horde of famine refugees who
> >crowded into the port cities of North America, impoverished, malnourished,
> >and diseased. Because the famine was more severe in the southern and
> >western parts of Ireland, these immigrants also tended more often to be
> >Catholic, which further aggravated Americans of the Nativist persuasion.
> Well put. But, aren't they really just bogeymen to scare children with these
> Kevin McCabe
Not in Loyalist Northern Ireland they're not :)