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From: "Madra Dubh" <>
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of the term "Scot-Irish"
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:38:51 GMT
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"Kevinmccabe1" <> wrote in message
news:...
> >(Dennis Ahern)
> >Date: 3/10/2003 5:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <b4i42k$329$1@pcls3.std.com>
> >
> >Mike Day () wrote:
> >
> >: "Sean MacLochlainn" <> wrote in
message
> >: news:b4go0t$sf0$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >: > Peter Norman wrote:
> >: >
> >: > > And Ulster is still effectively ruled by those of Scots-Irish
descent
> >: > > i.e. the Presbyterian majority of the current population.
> >: >
> >: > I think you had better check your facts. Presbyterians are a
minority.
> >: >
> >: And not all of Ulster either. Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are not part
of
> >: the political entity of Northern Ireland.
> >
> >The political entity of Northern Ireland is comprised of only six of the
> >nine counties of the province of Ulster. At the time of partition in
> >1922, the counties of Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan were deemed to be too
> >heavily populated with Catholics and were "given" to the Irish Free State
> >in order to maintain a numerical majority of Protestants.
> >
> >See http://www.cultureireland.com/maps/ for map of the provinces.
> >
> >As for the original question of the meaning of the term "Scots-Irish" or
> >"Scotch-Irish", this appelation was adopted in the U.S. in the mid-19th
> >century by the descendants of 17th- and 18th-century Irish immigrants who
> >wanted to disassociate themselves from the horde of famine refugees who
> >crowded into the port cities of North America, impoverished,
malnourished,
> >and diseased. Because the famine was more severe in the southern and
> >western parts of Ireland, these immigrants also tended more often to be
> >Catholic, which further aggravated Americans of the Nativist persuasion.
> >
>
> Well put. But, aren't they really just bogeymen to scare children with
these
> days?
>
We still use the Black and Tans around my house.
-Conway



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