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From: (david a somerville)
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of the term "Scot-Irish"
Date: 13 Mar 2003 06:16:30 -0800
RE The letter of mr.sloan
As a scotsman who has visited both parts of Ireland ,the term
scots-irish was unknown to until I studied American politics of the
1820's where it was used to
denote settlers in the then frontier regions of the
I have always assumed that these people were presbyterians from Ulster
possibly of Scottish descent from those sent to establish the
It has to be remembered that such groups were radical in their wish to
home rule in Ireland and their American offspring were important in
broadening the franchise and in promoting open forms of democracy
e.g.selection of candidates by primaries or by open conventions
(Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<>...
> What is the meaning of the term "Scot-Irish"
> I have heard the term Scot-Irish all my life, especially since I am
> one of them. What does that mean? Does it refer to Scots who went to
> Ireland because otherwise they were being burned at the stake by
> Presbyterians? Or, does it refer to Scots who were sent to Ireland to
> bring the new Protestant religion there?
> The book "Descendants of Hugh Thomson" by Don Thomson briefly
> describes a Thomson ancestor of mine (first name not provided) who was
> burned at the stake in Scotland by Presbyterians, and two other
> Thomsons who were tied to poles in the Irish Sea and then left to
> drown when the high tide came in.
> This is what the chess politics people have been trying to do to me
> for the longest time.
> Does this explain why some went to Ireland and then came back to
> Scotland later on, frequently changing their names back and forth
> between Thomson and Thompson, thereby making it difficult for us to
> find them?
> I have been able to trace almost all of my Scot ancestors back to at
> least 1720. However, I have found no records for any of my ancestors
> during the time that they were in Ireland.
> At least two books address the families who went to Northern Ireland
> in the 1600's. One is by John Stevenson and the other is by T.
> McCavery re. Newtown: A History of Newtownards, Belfast, White Row
> Press (1994).
> When I was growing up, I was always told that my mother's ancestry was
> half Scot from her mother and half Swedish from her father. Ireland
> was never mentioned.
> However, now that I have been researching this question, I have found
> that while my mother's mother's father's side, the Graham side, may
> have originally been from Scotland, they were living in Ireland before
> coming to America. No trace or records of them in Ireland has been
> Similarly, some of my mother's mother's mother's side, the Thomson
> side, which did come directly from Stranraer, Scotland, a port city
> only 20 miles across the Irish Sea from Ireland, came to Scotland from
> Ireland. I have found no trace of them in Ireland, either.
> My father, Leroy Sloan, was Irish. His grandfather came over from
> Northern Ireland in the 1850s-1860s, but I have found no record of him
> in Ireland either.
> What is the cause of this, and what is the solution? Did the Irish
> keep no record of the Scottish interlopers? Or, did they simply keep
> no records at all?
> Sam Sloan
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