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From: "jim wishart" <>
Subject: Re: [WW1] Australian GS Badge, Major General Sir Edward Hutton
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:18:52 +0100
References: <200107300246.f6U2kCv32644@newmail.rootsweb.com>

Due to the miracle of PML I received a copy of the email referring to Sir Edward Hutton.
He is the great grandfather of my wife, or so circumstantial evidence has us believe. He had no legitimate children from his marriage but I have evidence of maybe three illegitimate children, one of which was my wife's grandmother.
The children were baptised 'Hutton-xxxxx' and were born in Hampshire and Berkshire in the 1870's and 80's.
I am in touch with living descendents of all three but would like to meet any other possible relatives.
I also have details of his life and plan to visit the Hull University local history library where family correspondence is kept in a collection.
regards,
jim wishart,
new to the list, northampton, england.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip MURPHY" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WW1] Australian GS Badge


> Just to clear up a few points.
> >
> >As I understand it, the Commonwealth Pattern Badge was first introduced in
> >1904, commonly known as the rising sun badge.
> Actually, the first "Rising Sun" type Australian badge was introduced in
> 1901 - a similar but plainer design of that worn later. It has a flat
> bottom edge - no scroll (just a horizontal base pole wth some twists),
> has the word "Australia", a crown, and the "rays" / bayonets are plainer
> / less stylised, and a full semicircle.
> This was soon followed by a more stylised one with the wording
> "AUSTRALIAN COMMONWEALTH HORSE".
> These were introduced for the period from / at Federation through to the
> end of the Boer War.
> Then the more well known design was introduced, as the General Service
> Badge.
> Regimental Badges were continued to be worn, with the General Service
> Badge only being worn by those in, basically, non regimental postings (in
> general terms, The Staff Corps / Permanent Army).
>
> > and was worn by 1st AIF in
> >1914 and thereafter , the exception being artillery units.
> In all my experience the Artillery units wore the A.I.F. badge - an
> oxidised general service badge, including the wording "AUSTRALIAN
> COMMONWEALTH MILITARY FORCES", as did every A.I.F. unit.
> There were some "unofficial" unit badges made (normally sandcast type)
> but were unofficial, and not approved for wear on the uniform.
> Only one artillery unit is attributed as having an unofficial badge, 4
> Field Artillery A.I.F. - a sphinx head over a flat scroll "4 F.A. A.I.F."
> There is some doubt as to whether it was actually worn on the uniform.
> > It is indeed made up of a sheaf of swords.
> Actually they are all bayonets - supposedly based on the shield (as
> presented to HUTTON, ref. the message by Paul BENNETT), made up of all
> bayonets, no swords - the larger ones (sword shaped) are Yatagan Pattern
> (Sword) bayonets, the thinner ones - triangular Martini-Henry bayonets as
> stated by Paul.
> >
>
> Best Wishes
> Phillip MURPHY
>
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