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From: june castle <>
Subject: [WW1] Re: GREATWAR-D Digest V01 #234
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 07:35:36 +1200
References: <200108050629.f756Tbt31107@lists7.rootsweb.com>


Iain
You mentioned that the Royal Fusiliers didnt land on Gallipoli until 24th April. Just a minor point. I always understood the first landings on Gallipoli were on the 25th April by the Aussies at 4.30am and New Zealanders at about 9am Am I right or am I wrong?
June Castle, Auckland, NZ
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> GREATWAR-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 234
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> Today's Topics:
> #1 RE: [WW1] Special Police ["Ian Jarmaine" <]
> #2 Re: [WW1] WW1 ["Tom Tulloch-Marshall" <prosearch@]
> #3 Re: [WW1] Special Police [Iain Kerr <>]
> #4 [WW1] CWGC ALIAS NAMES ["murcon" <>]
> #5 Re: [WW1] Royal Fusiliers [Iain Kerr <>]
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> Subject: RE: [WW1] Special Police
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:08:34 +0100
> From: "Ian Jarmaine" <>
> To:
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> Try
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhonda Merritt [mailto:]
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 9:00 AM
> To:
> Subject: [WW1] Special Police
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> Hi Everyone,
>
> Does anyone know anything about the Special Police that were in England
> during the Great War? My g-grandfather served for them in Kent and was
> awarded a medal. Unfortunately it was lost during the family's move to
> Australia in the 1920's and now my grandfather, who is 92, says he would
> love to get a new one so he can 'see it one more time'. My g-grandfather's
> name was Albert Herbert Sidney Goodhew, Service No. 339536.
>
> A bit of a hard one I guess but hopefully someone out there might know
> something.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rhonda, in Mareeba, Qld, Australia.
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> Subject: Re: [WW1] WW1
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:24:28 +0100
> From: "Tom Tulloch-Marshall" <>
> To:
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> Mary - Frederick was killed during an attack on a German position called
> "Snag Trench", near the village of Le Sars, on the Somme. His grave at
> Warlencourt BC is about a mile north-east of that point, along the
> Albert-Bapaume road.
>
> The SDITGW database shows his regimental number as 372908 which is in the
> range of "new" (Territorial Force) regimental numbering for the 8th
> Londons - that almost certainly means that he was first reported as "missing
> in action". Warlencourt BC is a post war "concentration cemetery" and is in
> fact located behind what was the German front line at the end of the 1916
> Somme battles - it is immediately north-east of the infamous landmark the
> "Butte de Warlencourt"..
> >
> > "where he joined"
> ### Born, enlisted, and residing Gateshead.
> >
> > "I have a copy of a letter written in Salisburgh May 18 1916, one
> somewhere over seas August 18 1916, -------- > when he joined ?"
> ### On the face of it he would appear to be an early 1916 conscript.
> >
> > "he was from Gateshead. Why the London
> > Regiment?"
> ### The Army placed men where they were needed. Regional associations
> dimminished rapidly as the war progressed.
> >
> > "Also was he a Postman before he joined?"
> ### Doesnt follow, not for a late 1915 or 1916 enlistment.
> >
> regards
> --
> Tom Tulloch-Marshall
> Great War Military Research
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> Subject: Re: [WW1] Special Police
> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:22:29 +0100
> From: Iain Kerr <>
> To:
>
> At 18:00 04/08/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Everyone,
> >
> >Does anyone know anything about the Special Police that were in England
> >during the Great War? My g-grandfather served for them in Kent and was
> >awarded a medal. Unfortunately it was lost during the family's move to
> >Australia in the 1920's and now my grandfather, who is 92, says he would
> >love to get a new one so he can 'see it one more time'. My
> >g-grandfather's name was Albert Herbert Sidney Goodhew, Service No. 339536.
> >
> >A bit of a hard one I guess but hopefully someone out there might know
> >something.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Rhonda, in Mareeba, Qld, Australia.
>
> Rhonda,
>
> I suspect that you have a reference to the Special Constabulary (not
> Police), a part-time voluntary reserve to local police forces that
> continues to this day. With many regular policemen (many of them
> ex-servicemen) volunteering to serve or being recalled from the reserve in
> 1914 and 1915, there were serious manpower shortages in many police
> forces. Hence the greater reliance on the Special |Constabulary which may
> have been open to men who were too old or physically unfit for military
> service.
>
> Each Special Constabulary was administered by its parent police force - the
> Kent Constabulary in this case. Any surviving records will be with the
> headquarters archives of that police force. You may fins a list more
> focused in police issues may be able to offer more specific help.
>
> Yours aye,
>
> Iain Kerr in Windsor, Berkshire, United Kingdom
> Web Page at: http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/index.htm
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> Subject: [WW1] CWGC ALIAS NAMES
> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:23:46 -0700
> From: "murcon" <>
> To:
>
> Hi listers
> Commonwealth War Graves site WW1
> When searching for some MURRAY names I found a lot of MURRAY entries with alias's in the listing. when I looked for more detail all these had the proper family name, none of which were MURRAY. Why were these soldiers listed this way? Curious for an explanation and how I should treat this information.
> Thanks
> Mary
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> Subject: Re: [WW1] Royal Fusiliers
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 05:06:13 +0100
> From: Iain Kerr <>
> To:
>
> At 21:55 02/08/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >Iain
> >
> >Thank you very much for the information.
> >
> >You stated that the 2nd Battalion Kings Fusiliers embarked in March 1915 at
> >Gallipolli, but my ggrandfather only joined them on 20 July 1915. How long
> >was the training he received, likely to have taken? Is he likely to have
> >signed up in 1914, but not be ready to travel with the rest of the battalion
> >in March? Or is it more likely that he joined after the initial rush?
> >
> >I appreciate your thoughts and comments.
> >
> > Michelle
>
> Michelle,
>
> Having quoted back my entire message, you then misquote me. The man's
> regiment was The Royal Fusiliers *City of London Regiment) and he serving
> in the 8th Battalion of that regiment when he died. There is no such
> regiment as the "King's Fusiliers". Accuracy is important here because
> there were several fusilier regiments at the time and all of them, as
> well the rest of the British Army owed loyalty to the sovereign.
>
> Second, I said that the 2nd Battalion embarked from Avonmouth (which is
> near Bristol) in March 1915. That battalion did not land on Gallipoli
> until 24 April where it was on operations until January 1916.
>
> You say that he joined the 2nd Battalion on 20 July. So he would have been
> a reinforcement draft sent out from UK to replace the men killed or wounded
> in the first months of the Gallipoli operation. His training, possibly in
> the 5th or 6th Battalions which were reserve battalions in the UK could
> have been 12 weeks or more. But it is difficult to speculate on limited
> facts. The rush of volunteers was intense in August and September 1914 but
> it continued apace well into 1915. [Conscription was not introduced until
> 1916.]
>
> Yours aye,
>
> Iain Kerr in Windsor, Berkshire, United Kingdom
> Web Page at: http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/index.htm
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