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From: (F.-D.Frhr.v.Recum)
Subject: Re: von Speidel
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:26:31 +0200
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The frequent name Speidl is typical South-German/Austrian.
Speidl is rather a nickname than an occupational name, i.e. meaning a rough
person.

The later baronial Speidl/Speidel family is of Austrian(Steiermark/Styria)
origin.
Members of this family received arms in 1584 by Archduke Karl and some were
made noble in 1592, others in 1594, others made Austrian knights in1627,
Austrian barons in 1639 and those were immatriculated 1815 in Bavaria as
Freiherren.

This is a typical Austrian career of farmers entering nobility through
offices held in the Austrian government.

Best regards
Freiherr von Recum





o any historical family. My knowledge about their
>> antecedents is simply to limited.
>>
>> I have know "my" Speidels for many years. In private
>> conversations they spoke of how Polish they were and sounded
>> almost regretful that their name did not end in a "ski" of an
>> "icz."
>>
>> Today, I received a copy of electronic correspondence from a
>> younger representative of the family, who also was born in
>> the Poznan area of
>> Poland, addressed to one of Poland's diplomats. The letter
>> contained in
>> the signature part the "von Speidel." While I am wholly
>> ignorant of what makes a German name sound noble, except of
>> course for the obvious "von, "
>> the sound of "Speidel" struck me as more appropriately
>> belonging to a
>> farmer or a townsman family. However, since there have been
>> barons von Speidel, as you have taught me, I may have to
>> revise my thinking and give
>> the Polish American Speidels the benefit of the doubt.
>>
>> Thank you again,
>>
>> Marek Lesniewski-Laas
>>
>> At 07:40 PM 8/4/2003 +0200, Klaus Liwowsky wrote:
>>> Marek Lesniewski-Laas wrote:
>>>> I know a Polish American family by the name of Speidel, who
>>>> hail form the Poznan area in Poland. Recently I noted that
>>>> they have started using "von Speidel" as their moniker.
>>>
>>> Hi Marek,
>>>
>>> as far as I know the barons v. Speidel came from
>>> Wuerttemberg. South in Germany and west of Bavaria. The
>>> family is listed in the German GOTHA
>>> and in Kneschkes Adels-Lexikon. Are you looking for
>>> something special?
>>> Do you know a first name and a birth date?
>>>
>>> Speidel is not mentioned in the list of noble landowners
>>> from Poznan
>>> area around 1900.
>>>
>>> The military ranking list of Prussia (1914) lists a
>>> Lieutnant Speidel
>>> from the IR 128 in Danzig/Gdansk. Dr. Hans Speidel (without
>>> the 'von')
>>> was General-Lieutnant and Chief of Staff from Rommels Army
>>> Group B in
>>> the time of D-day. Later on he became a prisoner because he
>>> was a member
>>> of the Resistance against Hitler.
>>>
>>> Do you know:
>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~spidlefamily/spidle_html/
>>> This site is dedicated to researching the Speidel Family
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Klaus Liwowsky

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