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From: "Marek Jerzy Minakowski" <>
Subject: Re: Peacock Feathers
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:51:11 +0200
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As far as I know, peacock or ostrich plumes were used by Paprocki's
painter in the case he didn't know the original crest. All subsequent
armorials just copied Paprocki and the original crests went into oblivion.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Zincavage" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Peacock Feathers


> I expect if you were not artistically inclined, lacked the means to
> commission a headgear masterpiece, or simply thought having some kind
of
> wooden bird or animal stuck on top of your helmet looked silly, you were
> probably perfectly happy to settle for the simpler crest of a few (3 or
5)
> ostrich or peacock plumes. Peacock plumes cost more than ostrich, and
were
> clearly a form of conspicuous consumption. The knights of the Teutonic
> Order were known to favor peacock plumes, and their use by a Polish
knightly
> may possibly commemorate some victory over a knight of that Order, or
> participation in the victory at Grunwald, or --of course-- may have no
> significance at all beyond a personal preference.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:19 AM
> Subject: Peacock Feathers
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Interesting enough the Odrowaz Coat of Arms also has three peacock
> feathers.
> > Do you know if this has any association, or is it just that Peacock
> feathers
> > were popular?
> >
> > Inquiring minds would like to know. :-)
> >
> > Margaret Odrowaz-Sypniewski, B.F.A., Clan Malcolm, PGSA, PGSM.
> > <A
HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/9538/syptab.html">The
> Sypniewski Family-Table of Contents</A>
> > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/auch2000/index.html">Auch 2000's
> Scottish Pages </A>
> >
> > In a message dated 8/5/03 10:12:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Five ostrich feathers that symbolized the Godzdawa crest <
> > >
> > > The Gozdawa crest is usually depicted as a sheaf of peacock feathers
> > > with the double lily superimposed upon it. Two variants substitute 3
> > > ostrich plumes. One variant known to Ostrowski had 5 ostrich plumes,
but
> > > he doesn't know which family used it. Five ostrich plumes could be
the
> > > crest of hundreds of other coats of arms. No surviving medieval
Gozdawa
> > > specimens have a crest. The familiar Gozdawa peacock crest emerges
in
> > > the 16th century. According to Leszczyc the Pacewicz family is a
branch
> > > of the Pac family, whose crest had a sheaf of peacock feathers.
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