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From: "David Zincavage" <>
Subject: Re: Tartars in Lithuanian Nobility
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:32:19 -0700
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Large numbers of Tartars were captured by the Lithuanian princes in war in
the 13th and 14th centuries. Some entire bands of Tartars, along with own
their princes, joined the Lithuanians as allies, and were settled, with
noble status, in Lithuania.
In PAN TADEUSZ, Pan Birbasz boasts: "przeciez ja z tatarskich hrabiow [I am
descended from the Tartar counts]."
It is very common to find listed in the armorial compedia a homonymous
family using the same arms of Tartar descent. I believe one must conclude
that wholesale adoptions of Tartars by Lithuanian armigers must have
occurred. However, arms of Tartar origin also existed and are recorded.
Tartar-derived arms tend to feature the sort of tamga symbols of which Mr.
Stevens is so fond usually associated with horsehoes, arrows, and a crescent
moon.
Stanislaw Dumin, Herbarz Rodzin Tatarskich Wielkiego Ksiestwa Litewskiego
[Armorial of Tatar Families of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania], Gdansk, 1999.
Stanislaw Dziadulewicz, Herbarz Rodzin Tartarskich w Polsce [Armorial of the
Tartar Families of Poland], Wilno, 1929, reprinted Warsaw, 1986.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Justin Modestino, M.Phil." <>
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Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Tartars in Lithuanian Nobility
> Hello all,
> I am interested in understanding more about the Tartars in Lithuanian
> Nobility. Did they take on Polish surnames and COAs? Did they integrate
> and intermarry with the other Nobility? Or did they remain separate? How
> did they come into Nobility?
>
> If someone could just give me a very basic explanation answering these
> questions with a brief background, I would greatly appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Ed
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