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From: "David Zincavage" <>
Subject: Re: Tartars in Lithuanian Nobility
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:58:06 -0700
References: <2409A35B3E1C8D4D929583798DF5AA78D7D1AC@whmail01.walterhav.com>

Intermarriage with persons of Tartar descent was common in many parts of
Lithuania, because Tartar settlements existed in many parts of Lithuania.

I grew up in one of the principal Lithuanian communities in the United
States (Shenandoah, Pennsylvania), and I attended a Lithuanian parish
parochial elementary school. Of roughly 25 students in my class, I would
say that two had strongly oriental features, and half a dozen had a slight
appearance of the sort. The Lithuanian-descended film actor Charles Bronson
(real name: Charles Buchinski) from the nearby town of Lansford has
distinctly Tartar features. Jack Palance (Palanchik) from Eckley, near
Hazelton, also has a slight Tartar look.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Leon Stevens" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: Tartars in Lithuanian Nobility


> > His Tatar people were given Jewish brides <
>
> It's not impossible that some Tatars took Jewish brides but most
> definitely did not. Dziadulewicz specifically describes the ancestors
> of Tatars whose names were included in subsequent surnames. The
> necessity of peasants to farm successfully, served as a strong
> motivating factor for Tatars to convert to Christianity. The majority
> of converts has no detectable Asian physical features due to
> intermarriage with Slavs or Balts. Today some with obvious Tatar
> surnames are surprised to learn that they are of Tatar descent. A few
> initially refuse to accept it, owing to a lack of Asian features. Those
> who chose to remain Muslim usually retain Asian features, because they
> tended to marry only Tatars.
>
>
>

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