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From: "Leon Stevens" <>
Subject: RE: Tartars in Lithuanian Nobility
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:19:46 -0400

> Tatars adopted Bohemian arms <

David, in order to show that there were such adoptions, you have to show
at the very least that an adoption of the type you describe could have
at least taken place i.e. that the adopter was an officer, and that the
adoptee had served under the adopter. During the medieval period
adoption didn't have to be kept secret, and as a practical matter
usurpation amounted to adoption, if the usurped party didn't object to
the usurpation. Of the Tatar Aramowiczes, who claimed the Odrowaz arms.
Dziadulewicz writes:
"ARAMOWICZE herbu ODROWAZ, przydomku LITTAWOR.... W polowie XVII-go
stulecia zaczedli uzywac przydomku Littawor i herbu Odrowaz oczywiscie
dlatego aby wywolac wrazenie, ze sa jednego pochodzenia z moznym rodem
Chreptowiczow tegoz herbu i przydomku. Z tym tez przydomkiem i herbem
wylegitymowali sie ze szlachectwa w roku 1829-ym przed deputacja
wywodowa wilenska, podajac w fantastycznym wywodzie, zlozonym jeszcze w
roku 1775-ym przez Pawla Aramowicza w grodzie trockim, jako swego
protoplaste, Krzysztofa, zyjacego w latach 1460-1480."
("ARAMOWICZES of the arams ODROWAZ, of the nickname-surname LITTAWOR....
In the mid 17th century they began to use the nickname-surname Littawor
and the Odrowaz coat of arms, of course to give the impression that they
are of the same descent as the powerful Chreptowicz family using that
nickname-surname and arms. With that nickname-surname and arms they
legitimized their noble descent in 1829 before the Wilno Evidentiary
Deputation, presenting a fantastical genealogy prepared by Pawel
Aramowicz claiming already in the city of Troki in 1775 that their
common ancestor was a certain Krzysztof having lived from 1460 to
1480.")
Dziadulewicz goes on to explain that the Aramowiczes had not been
baptized until the second half of the 16th century, when they became
Calvinists. Dziadulewicz traces their true origins to Alej a
trans-Volgan Tatar whose son Aram joined a Lithuanian regiment in 1528,
whose grandson's family was baptized during the Lithuanian Reformation.
So much for any "Bohemian" connection. The truth lies in the details,
not in superficial impressions. A few days ago an arrested Baghdad
merchant claimed that the orange orbs soldiers saw him selling were only
tomatoes, until high-definition surveillance cameras proved them to be
hand grenades. Even a family's own representations may not always be
accepted as true.

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