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From: Jerry and Gina Rose <>
Subject: [KYHARLAN-L] Re: KYHARLAN-D Digest V99 #238
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:43:04 -0700


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> KYHARLAN-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 238
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> Today's Topics:
> #1 [KYHARLAN-L] Bloody Harlan Website [Anne Kenworthy <]
> #2 [KYHARLAN-L] BLOODY- HARLAN [ (Samantha Haas)]
> #3 [KYHARLAN-L] BLOODY- HARLAN [ (Samantha Haas)]
> #4 [KYHARLAN-L] Bloody Harlan [Wilma Johnson <>]
> #5 [KYHARLAN-L] Bloody Harlan [Wilma Johnson <>]
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> Subject: [KYHARLAN-L] Bloody Harlan Website
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:33:19 +0200
> From: Anne Kenworthy <>
> To:
>
> I came across this web site awhile ago. Thought
> some of you might like to look at it. Any Estes
> descendants might be interested in it also.
>
> http://home.fuse.net/cgestes/bloodyharlan_html.HTM
>
> Anne Kenworthy
>
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> Subject: [KYHARLAN-L] BLOODY- HARLAN
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:58:12 -0500 (CDT)
> From: (Samantha Haas)
> To:
>
> Hi Friends of Harlan Co. Ky. I just read where some think that Harlan
> Co. Ky. was called "Bloody Harlan, because of the Moon-Shine Stills! No
> doubt there was trouble over Whiskey being made and sold illegally, as I
> recall as a child living there until I was about 13, years of age, a lot
> of that "Special Recipe", was also sampled by most... I found this
> article at the Public Library about 2, years ago and this was how I
> remembered Bloody-Harlan, as my Parents would tell the story as well.
> The Book, written by John W. Hevener, 1931-1939, "UNION OF THE DAMNED'.
> Harlan County's Coal Depression 1929-1939. President Hoover, 'THE GREAT
> DEPRESSION!!! 1929, COAL MINERS worked only 156 days out to the year
> for $ 2.00, A Day. OWNERS of the Coal Mines, would try to work the Men
> like Dogs and if you didn't like it or the Wage they wanted to Pay You,
> then you were Fired. "THUGS, as men were known to take your place. What
> they needed was a UNION! Coal-Mines were closing, men fleeing to other
> places to get work. PICKET-LINES were formed and men refused to let
> "Thugs", take their Jobs. In 1930, THE WAR BEGINS, the men will stand
> up for them-selves and what they believe in. The Hills of Kentucky was
> full of Coal and Coal was in great demand. In Harlan County, Ky. Coal
> was the Main source of Life. There was no other Jobs... 1931-1932,
> Harlan Co. Coal Depression, President, Hoover, The Great Depression!!!
> The Story Goes! WM. B. Jones, 48, year old Secretary of the Local
> Union, was the real Leader at Black Mountain, March 8, 1931 he belonged
> to the Secret Union, known as U.M.W. Member for 29, years before he came
> to Harlan County. He moved to Evarts, Ky. in Harlan, County. There he
> established Local Union Head-Quarters at his home. With the Union
> forming, Coal Miners Protested, NO WORK and " HUNGER' The STRIKES Begin!
> The Coal-Miners will be treated fairly or No-One wouldn't work, NO THUGS
> are going to take our Jobs, while we go go Hungry. 1931, National
> Guards were sent into Harlan, Co. to keep Peace. It was said!! The
> Guards being sent into Harlan, County Ky. and the Coal-Miners refusal
> to let THUGS, work their Jobs and refuse to Join the Union, where all
> Men could be treated Equal. The Name (BLOODY-HARLAN), WOULD ALWAYS BE
> KNOWN. The Children They'D have Little Legs and a Big Stomach, some Men
> would Staggered when they Walked, it was said of the National Guard, by
> the Coal-Miners, They put Guards over us and we don't wear Stripes.
> "Poem" 1931, Evarts, Harlan Co. Ky. this rarely Militant Folk-Song,
> carried east by the visiting organizers, was to become ONE of American's
> most Popular and Enduring Labor Songs. " WITH PISTOLS AND WITH RIFLES
> THEY TAKE AWAY OUR BREAD AND IF YOU MINERS HINTED IT THEY''LL SOCK YOU
> ON THE HEAD, WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON ? WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? GENTLEMEN,
> CAN YOU STAND IT? OH! TELL ME HOW YOU CAN? WILL YOU BE A GUN THUG? OR
> WILL YOU BE A MAN? WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
> April 2, 1937 the Union, concluded A 2, year National Agreement that
> provided for A $5.60 daily wage and 7, hour day by the end of 1937,
> Approximately 6000 County Miners were covered by some type of U.M.W.
> Agreement,; but still the Miners had to work very hard to keep their
> CONTRACTS. The Knoxville News_Sentinel...a picture was shown, the
> National Guard Troops marching Miners to Jail after the Battle of
> Stanfill, July 12, 1939. A total of 227 Union Members were arrested,
> Bond for the Prisoners was set at over a Quarter of a Million dollars.
> My Father was a Union Man and he was buried in 1989 with some of his
> Union Pens on. He still would send money to the Union when they needed
> it , He was a coal-Miner and ended up losing his life to the disease
> that coal-dust causes(Lung Disease).Silicosis of the Lungs! His name
> was Bert Jones and I was so proud of him. Hope I have helped someone
> understand that Bloody-Harlan had no other way; but to fight for their
> RIGHTS..... With Warm Regards, Samantha Haas, Fort Campbell, Ky.
>
> FAITH is the Reality of things hoped for and the Certainty of things
> Unseen. Hebrews11:1
>
> ______________________________
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [KYHARLAN-L] BLOODY- HARLAN
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:04:28 -0500 (CDT)
> From: (Samantha Haas)
> To:
>
> Hi Friends of Harlan Co. Ky. I just read where some think that Harlan
> Co. Ky. was called "Bloody Harlan, because of the Moon-Shine Stills! No
> doubt there was trouble over Whiskey being made and sold illegally, as I
> recall as a child living there until I was about 13, years of age, a lot
> of that "Special Recipe", was also sampled by most... I found this
> article at the Public Library about 2, years ago and this was how I
> remembered Bloody-Harlan, as my Parents would tell the story as well.
> The Book, written by John W. Hevener, 1931-1939, "UNION OF THE DAMNED'.
> Harlan County's Coal Depression 1929-1939. President Hoover, 'THE GREAT
> DEPRESSION!!! 1929, COAL MINERS worked only 156 days out to the year
> for $ 2.00, A Day. OWNERS of the Coal Mines, would try to work the Men
> like Dogs and if you didn't like it or the Wage they wanted to Pay You,
> then you were Fired. "THUGS, as men were known to take your place. What
> they needed was a UNION! Coal-Mines were closing, men fleeing to other
> places to get work. PICKET-LINES were formed and men refused to let
> "Thugs", take their Jobs. In 1930, THE WAR BEGINS, the men will stand
> up for them-selves and what they believe in. The Hills of Kentucky was
> full of Coal and Coal was in great demand. In Harlan County, Ky. Coal
> was the Main source of Life. There was no other Jobs... 1931-1932,
> Harlan Co. Coal Depression, President, Hoover, The Great Depression!!!
> The Story Goes! WM. B. Jones, 48, year old Secretary of the Local
> Union, was the real Leader at Black Mountain, March 8, 1931 he belonged
> to the Secret Union, known as U.M.W. Member for 29, years before he came
> to Harlan County. He moved to Evarts, Ky. in Harlan, County. There he
> established Local Union Head-Quarters at his home. With the Union
> forming, Coal Miners Protested, NO WORK and " HUNGER' The STRIKES Begin!
> The Coal-Miners will be treated fairly or No-One wouldn't work, NO THUGS
> are going to take our Jobs, while we go Hungry. 1931, National Guards
> were sent into Harlan, Co. to keep Peace. It was said!! The Guards being
> sent into Harlan, County Ky. and the Coal-Miners refusal to let THUGS,
> work their Jobs and refuse to Join the Union, where all Men could be
> treated Equal. The Name (BLOODY-HARLAN), WOULD ALWAYS BE KNOWN. The
> Children They'D have Little Legs and a Big Stomach, some Men would
> Staggered when they Walked, it was said of the National Guard, by the
> Coal-Miners, They put Guards over us and we don't wear Stripes. "Poem"
> 1931, Evarts, Harlan Co. Ky. this rarely Militant Folk-Song, carried
> east by the visiting organizers, was to become ONE of American's most
> Popular and Enduring Labor Songs. " WITH PISTOLS AND WITH RIFLES THEY
> TAKE AWAY OUR BREAD AND IF YOU MINERS HINTED IT THEY''LL SOCK YOU ON THE
> HEAD, WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON ? WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? GENTLEMEN, CAN
> YOU STAND IT? OH! TELL ME HOW YOU CAN? WILL YOU BE A GUN THUG? OR
> WILL YOU BE A MAN? WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
> April 2, 1937 the Union, concluded A 2, year National Agreement that
> provided for A $5.60 daily wage and 7, hour day by the end of 1937,
> Approximately 6000 County Miners were covered by some type of U.M.W.
> Agreement,; but still the Miners had to work very hard to keep their
> CONTRACTS. The Knoxville News_Sentinel...a picture was shown, the
> National Guard Troops marching Miners to Jail after the Battle of
> Stanfill, July 12, 1939. A total of 227 Union Members were arrested,
> Bond for the Prisoners was set at over a Quarter of a Million dollars.
> My Father was a Union Man and he was buried in 1989 with some of his
> Union Pens on. He still would send money to the Union when they needed
> it , He was a coal-Miner and ended up losing his life to the disease
> that coal-dust causes(Lung Disease).Silicosis of the Lungs! His name
> was Bert Jones and I was so proud of him. Hope I have helped someone
> understand that Bloody-Harlan had no other way; but to fight for their
> RIGHTS..... With Warm Regards, Samantha Haas, Fort Campbell, Ky.
>
> FAITH is the Reality of things hoped for and the Certainty of things
> Unseen. Hebrews11:1
>
> FAITH is the Reality of things hoped for and the Certainty of things
> Unseen. Hebrews11:1
>
> ______________________________
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [KYHARLAN-L] Bloody Harlan
> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:56:37 -0400
> From: Wilma Johnson <>
> To:
>
> In 1938, I was 5 years of age, and we lived at Yancy, in Harlan Co. I
> can remember quite well the National Guard lining both sides of the road
> from some distance down the road up to the coal tipple and commissary at
> Yancy. I can remember it, because at 5 yrs. of age, my Mother started
> sending me to the store for groceries and I had to walk this road
> between those two lines of National Guard. I would go to the office,
> which was upstairs over the commissary and give them a note my Mother
> had given me and they would give me "script" Then I would take that
> script down stairs into the commissary and give Leonard Sorrells the
> script and a grocery list my Mother had written and he would then fill
> the order and put any "change" from this script into the grocery bag for
> me to carry home. Just a few years ago, not long before my Mother
> passed away, I asked her why she would send a 5 yrs. old girl to the
> store, knowing she had to walk between those two lines of Guards. She
> replied, Well I couldn't carry your brother, the groceries and hold your
> hand! Well, my Mom did have her problems!!
>
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>
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>
> Subject: [KYHARLAN-L] Bloody Harlan
> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:03:24 -0400
> From: Wilma Johnson <>
> To:
>
> I was born at Closplint, in 1933. I can remember my father telling us
> that he was just getting to work about 2 days a week and made $3.00 per
> shift that he worked. I don't know they survived, even then.AMEN SISTER!!!!
I am a proud member of Local 2069 United Auto Workers(UAW)
located in Dublin Va.. All union members owe your dad and his brothers
and sisters who stood thier ground and won what was thiers. I would like
to thank you also for your support and dedication to your father. He
would be proud to know that you futhered his legacy and his
lifetime comittment in what he belived in here on the net for all to see.
Thank you!
Jerry Rose
Alternate Committeman
Local 2069 UAW

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