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From: "Gerald Lay" <>
Subject: Fw: LATEST Lay DNA Project update
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:14:05 -0400


MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!
Gerald Lay
Founding Member: 1995
Lay Family Genealogical Association
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/8896
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Founding Member: 1989
Campbell County ( TN ) Historical Society




----- Original Message -----
From: "Cynthia Ann Wells" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 2:00 AM
Subject: Lay DNA Project update


> Hello to everyone,
>
> We have exciting news on all fronts this evening. This is a long email so
> you may want to print it out. There is a lot to pass on. New tests results
> are back, new participants have ordered kits, AND a potentially
> interesting lead discovered through his DNA results for John W. Lay and
> his kin who descend from Rev. William L. Lay.
>
> John R. Lay, descendent of Isaac and Catherine Lay of Burke Co., NC has
> his 25 marker results back. His DNA does not match any of our previously
> tested participants and his haplogroup is predicted to be R1b, a common
> haplogroup for Western Europeans. According to unproven and unsourced
> family tradition, Isaac descended from European Layâ?Ts originally from
> Alsace Loraine, a French-German province, and Isaacâ?Ts father immigrated
> to America from there. Others say that Isaac was kin to the Campbell Co.,
> TN Layâ?Ts. However these initial results say otherwise. Either way, we
> cannot validate or come to any conclusions until further participants come
> forward, test, and compare results. We do have another potential tester
> for Isaacâ?Ts line in the works but because John R.â?Ts haplogroup is R1B,
> descendents of the German Pennsylvania Layâ?Ts will greatly add to our
> understanding of Isaacâ?Ts lineage and point to new avenues for
> traditional paper research. I know we have a few members of this email
> group who descend from these PA Layâ?Ts so hopefully a suitable
> participant can be found.
>
> Our cousin from Australia, Max, has his 12 markers back. As expected he is
> not a match with any of our current participants. What is interesting for
> Max is that his haplogroup is also predicted to be R1b, indicating deep
> European ancestral roots of the 1,000 years + back range. Max can trace
> his Lay lineage in England back to the 1500â?Ts. As I have noted before,
> Abraham Layâ?Ts line, also back to England is Haplogroup I, indicating
> deep Norse ancestral roots of the 1,000+ back range. I mention all this to
> highlight the rich ancestral history of England in how the land was
> invaded and re-invaded numerous times over the millennia before having
> surnames for identification became common. Max has identified several
> different Lay lines in Australia and New Zealand, much like our southern
> U.S. Layâ?Ts and has been very diligent in spreading news about our
> Project to them. I might add to Max and Murray that participant Russ Lay,
> is doing the tourist thing right now in your beautiful countries. Our CT
> Lay tester, John C.â?Ts kit has been received by the lab and will be
> included in the next batch for testing. Expect his results sometime after
> Thanksgiving. John C. documents back to England and is a very important
> line for Project analysis and comparing to our known English descendents.
>
> Onward to John W. Lay, descendent of Rev. William L. Lay. His markers had
> no exact or close matches in the FTDNA database at the 12, 25, or 37
> marker levels. FTDNA calls John W.â?Ts haplotype unique. John, did you
> know how unique you are? â?~VBGâ?T However, I plugged Johnâ?Ts numbers
> into another well known DNA lab database, that has their participants
> submit pedigree charts and John W.â?Ts DNA is a very close match with two
> males who have tested. The first male is a descendent of a French-Canadian
> whose surname could have definitely been Americanized into Lay. There is
> family tradition in some East TN Lay lines that talk about a French
> Canadian heritage. The second male is a Lay who descends from a William
> Lay1, John Lay2, and Taliaferro Lay3â?¦..and down the line. This line is
> recorded in TN then into Alabama. Now here is the icing on the cake.
> Gloria who descends from a William Lay who family tradition states married
> a Taliaferro has been hard at work recruiting a participant from her line
> since way back when the Project started. Well thanks to her and newest
> email group member Catherine, we have a tester for the William Lay line of
> Roane Co., TN. Walter H. Lay will be testing for this line. This
> couldnâ?Tt have come at a more important time given the DNA match John W.
> shares with this descendent of a Taliaferro Lay. Gloria, Catherine, and
> John W.; may want to get up and compare pedigrees while waiting for
> Walterâ?Ts results. In the meantime John, email me for further information
> on your matches, especially the French Canadian match, so you can make a
> research plan. Catherine, could you please email me a pedigree of
> Walterâ?Ts direct lineage.
>
> John W.â?Ts match results and Walter's upcoming test also have huge future
> ramifications for our other two testers who need to return their kits to
> the lab; Greg and Todd. Greg also descends from Rev. William L and Todd
> descends from Big Valley Dave. Gentlemen, your results could be the start
> of a breakthrough several East TN researchers have been looking for.
>
> Lastly, a potential participant from John M. Layâ?Ts line may be ready to
> order his kit after the first of next year. We still have a part
> scholarship available for a 37-marker kit to a descendent of Charles Lay
> of Pendleton District, SC.
>
> Thanks to everyone for participating in this great group. All this could
> easily die and we would be just left with 9-10 strings of numbers.
> OR...we could get the bigger picture of how all the Lay families are
> related. You do make a difference and our Project has been growing in the
> right direction.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cynthia Ann Wells
>
>
>


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